BigCarbonFoot says:

Iraq was not a sovereign nation. Look up the term of the Gulf War I surrender.

Besides, McCain’s bad, but there’s nothing he could do that would make him worse than O’Vomit. Hell, nuclear devastation would leave the survivors with a better life than O’Vomit wants to give us.

MuffinSpawn says:

Iraq was not a sovereign nation. Look up the term of the Gulf War I surrender.

Yeah, just like we didn’t invade Vietnam and start a war. It was a “police action”. Come the on, cut the bulls hit! We sure as hell did invad anther nation, and no amount of playing with words can magic that away. I really fracking hate it when people pull up crap like this as if it suddenly changes reality. Like, “oh, we suddenly have all our troops out of Iraq and the invasion never happened because technically Iraq wasn’t a sovereign nation.” WTF!?

Oh, and if that’s not sufficient to disturb your sleep at night, we also invaded Afghanistan even though most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis.

Mister Mustard says:

#32 – Bigfoot

>>Iraq was not a sovereign nation. Look up the
>>term of the Gulf War I surrender.

Are you on drugs?

Regarding the situation in Iraq, it appears to this Senator that the American people may have been lured into accepting the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, in violation of long-standing International law, under false premises.

http://tinyurl.com/5f6jlk

GigG says:

#34 “Yeah, just like we didn’t invade Vietnam and start a war. It was a “police action”.”

You might want to read up on your history. If we should have involved ourselves in Vietnam or not isn’t something I’d argue in this forum but the history is clear. The US didn’t invade Vietnam. The US aided an established nation (South Vietnam)that was being attacked by another established nation (North Vietnam).

MikeN says:

For all the talk of My Pet Goat and Bush’s golfing, Obama flew off to Maui after giving a ‘placeholder’ statement. And his placeholder showed incredible stupidity, not understanding how the UN works.

The Monster's Lawyer says:

“You Russians get off my lawn!” – J. McCrabby

Mr. Fusion says:

#37, It’s unjust,

If you say so. However, at least “McCain bashers” can say they went to school, unlike those who are defending a fellow idiot who makes such absurd claims.

Mister Mustard says:

#43 – Señor Fusion

>>What the heck is a “placeholder”?

Yeah, what the heck IS a “placeholder”? I can’t wait to see what Lyin’ Mike comes back with on this one.

Whatever it is, I guess he doesn’t think that President-elect Obama has the right to take a short vaction.

On the other hand, he doesn’t seem to have a problem with Dumbya taking more “vacation days” than any other president, going off to his “ranch” (koff, koff) to clear brush. What, he can’t afford to hire some landscape guys to come in in remove crap from his “ranch” in 4 hours, but has to spend week after week after week after week to do it himself?

I wonder if he scrubs around the toilets with a toothbrush himself, too.

I guess anything is better than to trying to run the country. He’s had enough failures in his life already.

MikeN says:

Obama backer and former UN Ambassador Richard Holbrooke

“The situation was evolving, Obama’s statement, which came immeidately was a place holder statement as the situation moved. He was on the plane, out of touch on his way to Hawaii. As the situation developed, he clarified, moved his position forward.”

He also said McCain and Obama(in the end) have roughly the same positions.

Mister Mustard says:

#48 – Lyin’ Mike

You STILL haven’t explained what the frack a “placeholder” is.

If you don’t know what it is, don’t use the term. If you do know what it is, what is it?

Quoting the word in some other politician’s quote and expecting us to infer its meaning is the weasel’s way out.

Do you know what it means, or not?

MuffinSpawn says:

#38 –

Thanks for yet another example of what I’m talking about. Perhaps supporting a military coup isn’t technically “invading”, but we most certainly did something that put us essentially in control of South Vietnam and in a war against the northern half of what was before and is again one country.

My focus was on euphemistic language and other forms of word play that are intended to represent something as less severe than it actually is. We got ourselves into a war in Vietnam, and we sure as hell invaded Iraq. No amount of “well technically blah blah blah” is going to change that.

Mister Mustard says:

#53 – Lyin’ Mike

Quit avoiding the question, you pantywaist.

You criticized Obama because he “flew off to Maui after giving a ‘placeholder’ statement. And his placeholder showed incredible stupidity, not understanding how the UN works.” (Message #40, from Lyin’ Mike).

So. Apparently you’ve read or heard his “placeholder” statement.

Now, tell us what a “placeholder” statement is, and describe why it showed incredible stupidity, not understanding how the UN works.

Otherwise, STFU.

Not necessary for you to cut ‘n’ paste from some right wingnut talking points blog.

Mister Mustard says:

#55 – Bobbo

I didn’t ask what the solution was to the Russian/ Georgian conflict.

I asked Lyin’ Mike what a “placeholder statement” was, as he derided Obama not only for making a “placeholder statement”, but for the contents of his “placeholder statement” (see #40).

So either Lyin’ Mike knows what a “placeholder statement is, or he’s blowing smoke up our asses again.

I report. You decide.

Mister Mustard says:

#57 – Wretched One

Whoa!!! Have you been hitting the ‘shrooms already??

Mister Mustard says:

#40 – Lyin’ Mike

>>For all the talk of My Pet Goat and Bush’s
>>golfing, Obama flew off to Maui after giving a
>>‘placeholder’ statement. And his placeholder
>>showed incredible stupidity, not understanding
>>how the UN works.

LYIN’ MIKE!! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? Are you going to answer the question of what a “placeholder statement” is, or should we assume that you’re blowing smoke up our asses yet again?

And as to your criticism of Obama taking a short vaction with his family after a grueling primary season and before the convention, let’s not forget the breathtaking vacation record of Dumbya. He has spent 469 days of his presidency kicking back at his ranch (yeah yeah, he was “clearing brush”), and 450 days cavorting at Camp David.

That’s 919 days (131+ weeks). Over the course of 7.5 years, that’s almost 18 weeks of vacation per year. Man, I wish I had those kind of bennies at my job. I don’t, though, and I’m not even doing anything that’s remotely important for the future of civilization.

So. Tell us: What is a “placeholder statement”, and why are your panties in such a twist about Obama taking a week off to be with his family??

TIA