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#61 – Lyin’ Mike
MY original question was:
“Do you have any reason to believe that “president” Bush completed his military service honorably?
Or do you concede that the underlying story is, in fact, absolutely TRUE???”
If you could answer that, it would be great. If not, your silence speaks volumes.
As to your (secondary) question, I think the jury is still out. Maybe fake, maybe real. I’m not really that concerned. I was never a big fan of Dan Rather or 60 Minutes. Maybe his underlings pulled a fast one, who knows. There doesn’t seem to be any valid evidence to support that though.
>>I doubt he’ll be clearing any brush
>>once politics is over.
I doubt it too. Clearing brush is too much like real work, although it’s a lot easier than presidenting.
So much Jack Daniels… so much cocaine… who has time for chopping up twigs? The guy had his 8 years of infamy. Now he can retire and do what he does best: Nothing.
Well at least you are willing to say maybe fake, though reading the links, it’s definitely fake.
#64 – Lyin’ Mike
No, it’s not “definitely fake”. Re-read Fusie’s post #50. It’s smoke, mirrors, and bullshit.
Now.
Are you ever going to answer MY question?:
“Do you have any reason to believe that “president” Bush completed his military service honorably?
Or do you concede that the underlying story is, in fact, absolutely TRUE???”
Or do you just want to concede by default that Dumbya pussied out, lied about it, and then got Daddy’s friends to cover up the cover-up?
Let’s hear it, Lyin’ Mike.
“Do you have any reason to believe that “president” Bush completed his military service honorably?
Or do you concede that the underlying story is, in fact, absolutely TRUE???”
Do I have to ask it again?
@ Musturd
“Your inability to come up with a new condiment name says it all. Does Mr. Mayonnaise know about this? Or are you his son?”
I work at the Mayo Clinic, you really are quite clueless. Your use of excessive punctuation and all caps in no way makes up for your inability to make a damn bit of sense. May I quote some of your brilliance “HAW”.
Good stuff, keep it coming.
I’ve already answered your question, and covered Fusion’s ‘refutation’ in #50. If you read the actual link, you would know the documents are definitely fake.
By the way, Fusion, if you have a Selectric, could you show us some of this vaunted ‘kerning’? The actual typewriter in question was thought to be a Selectric Composer, and even that can’t do kerning. Of course, the documents in question don’t show real kerning either, which makes the case for their authenticity even more bogus.
Mustard==sorry, Mickey is quite correct. At Post #58, last paragraph Mickey reveals he has no independent thinking ability at all and he is just a Bushieboy Operative.
To Mikeys credit though, I think a few months ago he did list a few things he would criticize Bushieboy for. Not cutting taxes enough and being too open to other points of view were on the list, if my memory serves.
When did Ben Stein turn into a grumpy old man? I can almost hear him saying “I don’t like the look of those teenagers over there.”
#66 – ‘nnaise
>>I work at the Mayo Clinic, you really
>>are quite clueless.
Yeah. Right. And I’m the President of Harvard.
HAW!!
Fusion, here he refutes your ‘copies’ argument:
This is one of the things I have tried to show from the very first, that even accounting for the poor quality of the images, we still get too high a correspondence. If a set of fingerprints is found on a doorknob, no sane defense attorney would claim they are invalid because they are not as sharp and crisp as the samples taken by the police. If there is a “close enough” match, allowing for artifacts such as smudging, possible dirt on the finger obscuring little pieces of the fingerprint, etc., the fingerprint is declared the same. Fingerprint experts have well-defined criteria for determining if a portion of a fingerprint, known as a “partial”, matches.
#67 – Lyin’ Mike
>>I’ve already answered your question.
Sorry. With all your bloviating, I guess I missed the one-word answer to my question. I’ll break it into two parts, for your answering convenience:
Part One (Yes or No will do as an answer):
“Do you have any reason to believe that “president” Bush completed his military service honorably?
and Part Two (yes or no will do as an answer):
“Or do you concede that the underlying story is, in fact, absolutely TRUE???”
And #68 – Bobbo
>>At Post #58, last paragraph Mickey reveals
>>he has no independent thinking ability at
>>all and he is just a Bushieboy Operative.
See my comment in #59. I agree he has no independent thinking ability and is just a Bushieboy Operative. Nevertheless, he still has not answered the question.
If I say I’m the president of Harvard, but nobody can find any evidence to support that (in spite of the detailed records they keep on presidents of Harvard, well then. Gee. I guess I’m not the president of Harvard.
And unless Dumbya (or somebody, anybody) can provide some record of him having been anywhere other than whiskey bars and crack houes when he was supposed to be “serving” his country, well then. Gee. I guess he wasn’t serving his country. That would make him AWOL. Since then, he’s graduated to traitor. I guess his experience during the Viet Nam war was just a “gateway” crime for him.
#72 – Mustard
It’s always a fascinating exercise when reading your posts. You consistently bully other posters by calling them names, hurling insults, and using broad, unsupported, profanity-laced statements. You bring new meaning to the phrase ‘open exchange of ideas’. Very sad.
#73 – Señor Feliz
Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion.
It’s amazing that there are still a handful of pathetic leftards who continue to defend the Rather Forgeries. Ya’ll are funny to watch! Just be sure to wipe that spittle off your monitor before you shut it down for the evening.
The New York Times. Isn’t that the failing company that is laying off people in droves and likes to hire frauds and con artists on a regular basis, like Jayson Blair?
Can’t we all just get along?
Rather WAS burned by forged documents.
and
Bush was a chickenhawk Vietnam dodging coke head.
Both can be true.
#76 “Bush was a chickenhawk Vietnam dodging coke head.”
Actually, it is documented that he applied for a combat assignment in Vietnam… Look it up.
wow Mr Mustard had gotten his panties in a wad and it seems to me that the ohh so high and mighty beliefs of liberalism and innocent until proven guilty go out the window when taking on conservatives
From what I am reading from you, the ends justify the means in that even if the documents are fake you think that is ok because you hate George W Bush so mush that if on the outside chance he did do what they say, manufacturing evidence is ok because it is George W Bush. Does that not go against everything you argue on here about habeas corpus and rights for gitmo prisoners
So if i understand your lunatic rantings, the natural born American native President of the United states of America does not deserve the rights you expect us to give a foreign born terrorist extremists
now who is the 2 faced fool
#77–Paddy==did Bushieboy ever serve in Vietnam or are you relying on some forged document or even a real one that means diddly squat?
#71, Lyin’ Mike,
If a set of fingerprints is found on a doorknob, no sane defense attorney would claim they are invalid because they are not as sharp and crisp as the samples taken by the police.
Wrong. Very wrong. Finger prints rarely show a definitive match. Courts do not allow a finger print “expert” to positively state that the prints are the same. The best they can do is state the number of similar characteristics.
If there is a “close enough” match, allowing for artifacts such as smudging, possible dirt on the finger obscuring little pieces of the fingerprint, etc., the fingerprint is declared the same.
You been watching too many cop shows where the evidence is always cut and dried. It very rarely ever is.
So yes, this is a bad analogy.
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My father has the same IBM Selectric he bought in the early ’70s. He has it put away somewhere. I won’t look for it as he lives 500 miles away, but more importantly because that would not solve the problem. All it could do is show that my dad’s typewriter can / can not do something. It would not prove the typewriter used by the ANG was used to type these documents.
CBS interviewed the ANG Base secretary. While she did not recognize the letter, she admitted she did use an IBM Selectric from about 1969 on.
No one in their right mind would believe any analysis done to the standards these two were done to. The first even categorically stated that they are not positive. The second analysis spends most of his time with irrelevant bullshit that obscures the actual investigation. There is no need to come up with something better when this is the quality of refutation.
If either (or even any) analyst had seen the original document then I would be much less prone to laugh.
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So did Bush or did he not complete his service?
#78==PMitchell==Mustard never said that it was ok to used forged documents, in fact, an honest reading of his posts imply that it was not ok. I doubt you can understand the subtleties of language involved and I don’t want to steal MM sauce should he favor you with a response. (Giving someone a break is not required unless they are “wrong.”)
Paddy-O: http://tinyurl.com/792u
Well, sort of, like everything else in his life.
#77 – Patrick
>>Actually, it is documented that he applied
>>for a combat assignment in Vietnam… Look it
>>up.
No, YOU look it up, Patio Furniture man. It has been conclusively shown that 1) Dumbya did not apply for a combat assignment 2) the jets that he knew how to fly were obsolete and were not being used in Viet Nam, and 3) he disappeared for a good portion of his so-called “service”. To wit:
“In an annual evaluation of his performance – dated, coincidentally, the very same day, May 2 – they conceded that they couldn’t actually evaluate his performance, because they hadn’t seen him for months.”
http://tinyurl.com/5e4yqo
Chickenhawk. Cokehead. Draft dodger.
Deal with it, dude. Your emperor has no clothes.
#78, Paul,
From what I am reading from you, the ends justify the means in that even if the documents are fake you think that is ok because you hate George W Bush so mush that if on the outside chance he did do what they say, manufacturing evidence is ok because it is George W Bush.
Please point out where Mustard or I said anything like that. I don’t recall anyone stating that the documents were authentic.
Does that not go against everything you argue on here about habeas corpus and rights for gitmo prisoners
No. Geeze, you’re a bigger idiot than Lyin’ Mike. This is not about holding someone prisoner for years, torturing them, making up charges, fabricating evidence, not allowing the accused to see that evidence, denying lawyers to see the evidence, and not following rules of law. It is about verifying the veracity of some documents that have been copied too many times to have a meaningful analysis done.
So if i understand your lunatic rantings, the natural born American native President of the United states of America does not deserve the rights you expect us to give a foreign born terrorist extremists
That must be the problem. You don’t understand. To the best of my knowledge, the President has not been charged with a crime. Whereas, you have already labeled and convicted those in Guantanamo.
What is it about the wing nut philosophy that encourages them to keep inventing bullshit to sling around?
#78 – Mitchelli
“From what I am reading from you, the ends justify the means in that even if the documents are fake you think that is ok because you hate George W Bush so mush that if on the outside chance he did do what they say, manufacturing evidence is ok“.
I never said that “manufacturing evidence [was] OK”. I said that the controversy still swirls over whether or not those documents were valid.
The overarching point, though is that on the outside chance that they WERE “manfactured”, what they claimed is, in fact, absolutely spot-on:
Dumbya, the chickenhawk architect of the abortion of a war in Iraq, was hiding in Alabama, working on the campaign of a family friend.
You’re already deep enough in this hole. Quit diggng. Just a little friendly advice.
#83 Mr. Turd said, “No, YOU look it up,”
I did in 2000. I had a Lt. Col. look it up. Too bad Mr. ‘Turd 😉
#86 – Patrick
>>I did in 2000. I had a Lt. Col. look it up.
>>Too bad Mr. ‘Turd
Yeah. And I had Nelson Mandela look up that I am president of Harvard.
Unfortunately, he can’t find the records.
Just like you can’t.
Gonna have to start calling you “Lyin’ Paddy-O”. Your nose is getting longer than Pinocchios.
I posted a link showing that Dumbya was hiding in a geranium pot while his countrymen were fighting and dying in Viet Nam.
You post hearsay about a mythical Lt. Colonel.
I think you can say with all confidence that you’ve been shown to be a bullshit artist and a BushLackey.
Dismissed.
Bobbo, you say I have no independent thinking to somebody who can’t see for himself the proof of forgery.
GregAllen has shown that there is at least one liberal on this site who can accept reality.
And Mustard, your two part question appears to be the same. I believe Bush completed his service. There is no evidence to the contrary. Have you never heard of a document retention schedule?
Bobbo, I think PaddyO is referring to a vague story that came out that said Bush tried to go to Vietnam. I don’t remember the details, but I doubt he tried very hard.
If in the context of a thread about media standards, someone points out fake documents, and Mustard replies ‘the underlying story is true’, then he is defending ‘ends justifies the means’.
Mr Fusion and Mustard are clearly not capable of responsible journalism(but they could work for 60 minutes)
#87 I’ll let you search it out
“The Air Force assembled a group of 102’s and took them to Southeast Asia. Bush volunteered to go. But he needed to have 500 hours, but he only had just over 300 hours so he wasn’t eligible to go, Col. Morrisey recalls.”
Must suck to be you… 🙂
Mr. Fusion, the Selectric is not capable of kerning or proportional spaced fonts. It is the Selectric Composer that is at issue, and even this has been shown to be incapable of producing these documents that MS Word creates.