Uncle Patso says:

Quote 1:
“We all know that Fox is rabidly right while MSNBS (sic)is rabidly left.”

My goodness, what a tame idea of ‘rabidly’ right or left! Why I don’t remember anyone on either channel claiming, for example, “All taxes are theft!” or “All property is theft!” and those are not even close to the most extreme positions I have heard. (Just to include the libertarians, I suppose their anthem would be “All laws are theft!”) While some commentators and guests certainly seem rabid in their monomania, the positions advocated on cable/broadcast TV are far from the most extreme. When’s the last time you heard someone seriously suggest “Eat the rich!” or “Eat the poor!”?

Is it just because it’s the weekend, or does the caliber of argument here seem a little weak lately? I mean:

Quote #2:
“Libs aren’t exactly the kind of folks that watch the news…or read…or think…”
Quote #3:
“Holy fuck! I’m going to have to start caling (sic)you ‘Moronic Lyin’ Mike'”.

Ooh! Your devastating argument has destroyed me completely! I must now sell all my possessions and wander, vagrant and mendicant, wearing sackcloth and ashes, preaching your brand of enlightenment!

Puh-lease! If that’s all you got, might as well stay home…

Mister Mustard says:

#25 – Lyin’ Mike

>>Come back if you would like a link.

I imagine that if you had a link, you would have posted it in the first place. So yes, by all means. Let’s have a link. And, links to right-wing crap like SwiftBoatLiars.com won’t do the trick.

The only conclusive documentation on the disputed authenticity of the documents, the “Report of the Independent Review Panel on the September 8, 2004, 60 Minutes Wednesday Segment “For the Record” Concerning President Bush’s Air National Guard Service was released. “, did not draw any definitive conclusions as to whether the documents were valid or were forgeries.

And as so many have pointed out so eloquently over the years, even if the documents WERE false, the underlying story is most assuredly true.

Or are you also offering to post a link showing that Dumbya actualy DID complete his military “service” (such as it was) in an honorable fashion?

Personality says:

The number of comments defending FOX news is high on this post. I wouldn’t think that so many people want to see our country fall deeper in hell.

Paddy-O says:

#38 “have their hearts set on portraying FOX “news” as equivalent to the New York Times or thw Washington Post,”

I don’t think any other news org could equal the NY Times in # of retractions. There i no equal.

Paddy-O says:

#40 “And for the retractions that they DO make, that just goes to show that when new information comes to light (or they realized that they’ve made a rare mistake), they are up-front and honest in publishing that information.”

LOL! Yeah, buried on page 40 after smearing s/o on the front page.

I travel a lot so I read it often. Mostly for a good laugh.

Mister Mustard says:

#41 – Paddy-O-Furniture

>>LOL! Yeah, buried on page 40 after smearing
>>s/o on the front page.

One example of this. Just one, PaddyO’. And I’ll concede that you’re not a total, complete, and absolute bullshit artist.

In the alternative, we can only conclude that you are a total, complete, and absolute bullshit artist.

Personally, I think you just heard Anal Cyst Limbaugh make an offhand, unsupported comment to this effect in one of his spittle-flecked rants against the “drive-by media”, and your knee-jerk reaction was to say “DITTO!”.

‘Fess up now, son. You were just talking out of your ass. Everybody knows. Confession is good for the soul.

bobbo says:

#44–uhmm Peter==you do recognize your own post is totally devoid of substance and is completely anti-personnel and not even specific?

Way to illustrate the stupidity of such posts.

MikeN says:

Ah, ‘fake but accurate.’ It’s that type of thinking that leads to bogus newscasts, like the Karl Rove in Alabama story.

From wikipedia:
The CBS independent panel report did not specifically take up the question of whether the documents were forgeries, but retained a document expert, Peter Tytell, who concluded the documents used by CBS were most likely produced using modern technology.[118]

Here’s one link
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php

And here is the definitive proof f you care to read it:

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm

Mr. Fusion says:

Taken from your first link,

By the “expert”

What did Dr. Bouffard think of the documents?
First, the necessary caveats:
* The pdf document is of poor quality. It seems to have been copied and recopied several times, blurring letter characteristics.
* Also, certain types of analysis can only be done on the original documents, which don’t seem to be available, even to CBS.
So Dr. Bouffard is very clear that his analysis is not 100% positive.

uuhh, OK, could the good doctor have made any errors?

Uh, at least some of the analysis is off.
Fonts from that time clearly show closed number ‘4’ with a foot.
EG:
http://www.selectric.org/selectric/fonts/bookface72.gif As an example.
Many IBM typewriters of the time could type proportionally, and many even had font size differences and superscript capacity.
Now, these docs might be fake, sure. But this analysis doesn’t quite do it.
Posted by: What? at September 9, 2004 04:31 PM

*

From your second “definitive” conclusion it is fraudulent, he doesn’t even have a copy of the letter !!! It was widely known that the letter sent to CBS was a FAXED copy. Since most faxes use 300 DPI or less scanners, and often 200 DPI printers, THEN, it was scanned again for the telecast, it is highly unlikely he was looking at a good copy, YET he makes pronouncements about such startling clarity. Bullshit. Only a mind made up wing nut could accept that. Only an fraud would even try to make an intelligent analysis with such bad material.

Hot lead type could not kern, because of the need to have a Linotype machine drop slugs into a frame, which was then filled with hot lead. Any publishing technology that used hot lead typesetting could not support kerning, except by the aforementioned ligatures.

All irrelevant diversion. IBM Selectrics used a ball, and not only could, but did kern. My father still has his, complete with several balls still, stored away.

Or how about this gem:

Based on the fact that I was able, in less than five minutes, to replicate one of the experiments reported on the Internet, that is, to type in the text of the 01-August-1972 memo into Microsoft Word and get a document so close that you can hold my document in front of the “authentic” document and see virtually no errors, I can assert without any doubt (as have many others) that this document is a modern forgery.

Shit !!! So could I replicate this or any other document. That does not prove anything other than my talents and the capability of modern software and a little bit of time.

*

Conclusion. A fraud about forgery.

So Lyin’ Mike, once again you didn’t even read the links you posted. And once again you have no idea about the difference between quality and quantity.

bobbo says:

It’s only been hinted at so far but it bears repeating in this political season: just how remarkable it was that a coked-up alcholic born again draft dodging AWOL business failure like Bushie could successfully attack a genuine war hero like John Kerry.

And we see the outline of the same type of “turned on its head” attack starting up now even on this blog. Obama is a popular political candidate so some claim he is egotistical or as Weirder by the Week Ben Stein said: “He’s like Hitler at a Nazi Party Rally.”

The American electorate really is a scary thing when stupidity like this passes as convincing analysis.

Mayo says:

Musturd’s hilarious, he obviously thinks he’s witty and smart. His posts just scream “I’m an idiot”. He’s completely oblivious.

Good stuff, we want more.

MikeN says:

Well then, since you know so much more than this expert(way to call him a wingnut, why don’t you post his qualifications?) and you have the Selectric typewriter, why don’t you make a copy for us?

The degree to which lefties want to believe is amazing. The documents are so obviously forged, and you wouldn’t be saying this if it were rightwingers that came up with memos about John Kerry and how they just want to be rid of him so they’re sending him home with a bogus third purple heart or something like that.

MikeN says:

Why didn’t you post the part in between your two excerpts?

‘But somehow, magically, the font used by some hypothesized piece of equipment in 1972 works the same was as a font that uses a set of ABC width parameters that did not exist until TrueType fonts existed. Microsoft delivered the first version of TrueType for Windows in April of 1992, and the original TrueType font format was developed by Apple and delivered in May, 1991.’

As to your question, I don’t see any reason to think otherwise, especially when those who say so have to resort to forged documents to reach that conclusion. The existence of forged documents from Niger suggests that Iraq has not purchased any uranium from there.

Mister Mustard says:

#59 – Lyin’ Mike

Why won’t you answer the overarching questions here?:

“Do you have any reason to believe that “president” Bush completed his military service honorably?

Or do you concede that the underlying story is, in fact, absolutely TRUE???

I don’t know a single vet who doesn’t have detailed records available concerning his or her service, including paychecks, discharge status, and how many potted plants flown around Dixie while avoiding fighting in a war.

And to think that somebody like Dumbya, from a famous family, would magical disappear??

HAW! Lyin’ Mike, you’re embarassing yourself.

Just give it up. Just days, and the Republicans’ worst nightmare will be back clearing brush.

Just admit it. The guy’s a chickenhawk, a failure at everything he’s tried, and a fucking liar.

Do it, son. It will free your soul.

MikeN says:

I doubt he’ll be clearing any brush once politics is over.