This story is on the first half of the video followed by a couple of other stories.




  1. #122 I’m not worked up at all. In fact, I’m snickering and sniggering and chortling at your impotent, ineffectual attempts to make your points.

    George Dumbya Bush, applying for a combat assignment? HAW! I’m spewing coffee on my keyboard.

    George Dumbya Bush completing his miilitary service honorably? Tee hee hee!

    You’re a laugh riot, compay. You should appear on Leno or Letterman!

  2. Mr. Fusion says:

    Cow-Paddy,

    Your link is invalid. Try again.

    His Discharge will be included with his service record. There is no record available. Therefore, there is no evidence that he completed his service.

    You lose.

  3. Mr. Fusion says:

    Lyin’ Mike,

    I can’t find any record of Kerry saying he was in Cambodia. Maybe you have a link. Something better than the Swift Boaters.

  4. Thomas says:

    Senate floor speech of March 27, 1986
    Kerry’s Cambodia Whopper

    Brinkley’s biography on Kerry’s service stated that they came near to Cambodian waters. “Near” in this case meaning 50 miles.

  5. Mr. Fusion says:

    #126, Thomas,

    Thank you for the links.

    historian Douglas Brinkley, author of “Tour of Duty,” a laudatory book on Kerry’s military service. Last week Brinkley told the London Telegraph that while Kerry had been 50 miles from the border on Christmas, he “went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions.”

    I guess this also blows up Lyin’ Mike’s point about President Nixon being in office. The Article directly quotes Kerry as saying:

    “I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared — seared — in me.”

    Since the Government and military denied there being any Americans in Cambodia, yet it is known there were special forces there, it stands to reason the records would not be complete on this. BUT, there are records about Kerry’s service. There are no records about Bush doing his service.

    So I guess these links demonstrate that wing nuts like to invent bullshit to bolster their arguments.

  6. Thomas says:

    Would you like to try that again or do you already see the error of your argument?

    “Brinkley told the London Telegraph that while Kerry had been 50 miles from the border on Christmas,”

    “…and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia

    The President was correct. There were no troops in Cambodia in 1968, especially and including Kerry. The whole point of Kerry’s statement is that he was conducting illegal operations in Cambodia in 1968 and that is a complete fabrication. Simply being in Cambodian waters would not make the operations illegal.

    You are the wingnut here. You are claiming that despite the fact that there are no records of troops entering Cambodia in 1968 and not one person has corroborated Kerry’s story including his own men that it must mean that the evidence has been concealed or destroyed.

    > demonstrate that wing nuts
    > like to invent bullshit
    > to bolster their arguments.

    Indeed.

  7. Thomas says:

    Btw, Mike is correct about Kerry’s claim that it was Nixon. Kerry did not make that claim in his 1986 speech. He made it in a movie review of Apocalypse Now he did for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

    “On more than one occasion, I like Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now, took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.”

    I have seen a scan of the article on microfiche but finding it electronically has proven difficult.

  8. Mr. Fusion says:

    #129, Thomas,

    I agree that finding older transcripts is sometimes difficult. Yet, it is known that covert operation were done in Cambodia before the invasion.

    I don’t know if Kerry took part or bullshitted his way through the interview, but I do think there is some validity to his comments. I have no proof so don’t ask for a confirmation.

    I also believe Bush didn’t serve his full time in the ANG. Any documents showing a full Honorable Discharge were not come by honestly. Proof? Nope, none exists. At least none that would satisfy the wing nut crowd.

  9. apple says:

    I don’t believe your comment policy had anything to do with the comment traffic, depending upon where you put it. The addition of a here to your comments policy within the comments area has no impact. Spelling out your comments policy with a lot of confrontational language within the comment form area can.


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