Cisco’s immigration law firm audited for improper behavior by U.S. Department of Labor | NetworkWorld.com Community — In other words if you are an Amercian, screw yourself. Allegedly.
The U.S. Department of Labor is auditing all the permanent labor certification applications filed by Cisco’s immigration law attorneys at Fragomen – Del Rey – Bernsen & Loewy LLP.
The purpose of the audit is to determine whether the nation’s largest immigration law firm improperly instructed clients to contact Fragomen before hiring apparently qualified U.S. workers.
Such activity would be considered improper attorney involvement in the consideration of U.S. worker applicants.
U.S. Department of Labor regulations specifically prohibit an employer’s immigration attorney or agent from participating in considering the qualifications of U.S. workers who apply for positions for which certification is sought, unless the attorney is normally involved in the employer’s routine hiring process.
Found by Rob Sanchez.
These are advertisements required to be placed by companies so they can convert their employees who are on work Visa to Permanent Residents.
USCIS needs justification of why the person on work Visa needs to be given Permanent Residency.By showing that no other resident is qualified to get the job is one way of doing that.
While this seems a little convoluted – think about employees who have been working for ~6-8 years in the US on work visa and deserve to become a permanent resident of the US. Living on work visa is not easy to do if you are staying in the US for a long time. Trust me I am talking with experience.
This is really one of proof that our legal immigration system is broken and thus encouraging illegal immigration.
Before we run around legalizing illegal workers we need to work on getting the legal system right so deserving immigrants dont have to go though this mess.
Aren’t I legally authorized to work in the US without sponsorship (as an American)?
It seems odd that a company can’t add their immigration law firm as a hurdle when hiring foreigners. If they hire someone not in accordance with immigration laws they get in trouble, it seems that companies would want to avoid that.
#3 They can add as a hurdle when hiring FOREIGN workers. You can’t insert them for US CITIZENS.
Reread the WHOLE story.
#1 – ‘dro
Spanish-speaking people don’t get jobs at Cisco, unless it’s sweeping the parking lot.
The anti-Spanish-speaking thugs target the most vulnerable. That’s just the way they are.
As a former (retired) Cisco employee I don’t think Cisco is in the wrong here. It is a world wide company and it seems that everyone on the planet would like to work there. I can’t imagine how many resume’s they get every day from everywhere.
If you are an American and are qualified and you ask for a job that is advertised you will have a good chance of getting it.
But, you will be competing with a ton of other people from all over the place.
#2–Ken==”our legal immigration system is broken” when people who have benefited from a work visa come to think they deserve to become a permanent resident.
Do you ever think about the American workers you have displaced?
And here we see how the international corporations have the wage slaves fighting each other for their scraps.
Capital vs labor.
#3–Steven==every employer destroying the middle class in the name of free market competition hopes that everyone is as naive as you. As a newspaper add doesn’t do it for you, how about a neon sign in 12 foot letters: “AMERICANS NEED NOT APPLY. APPLICANTS WILLING TO WORK UNION FREE AT 60% MARKET RATE ONLY.”
Cisco doesn’t hire anyone who is not an Indian or other Asian H1-B or green card, except for management positions. If you want proof, walk into any of their offices.
#8 – ‘dro
Aw, ‘dro. ‘Dro, ‘dro, ‘dro.
I never said a Mexican couldn’t own CompUSA, or go to work for Intel, or leave a dying patient on the hard linoleum of a hospital waiting room.
What I said is that the reason folks are so upset about “illegal aliens” is because they hate them thar Spanish-speakin’ folks.
The whole “secure our border!” hype is based on hispanophobia. And the major complaint about the “illegals” is that they’re illegal (or they suffer some of the collateral damage from being illegal).
If you don’t see this, let me pose the question again: Where the fuck are you from?
#10, Mustard,
Hey, got any proof of that or are you just pulling more shit out your ass? How about until you can back that claim up you first start finding some documented cases.
Mister Mustard said,
“What I said is that the reason folks are so upset about “illegal aliens” is because they hate them thar Spanish-speakin’ folks.”
Believe it or not, the entire world does not revolve around racism.
When you cry wolf often enough, eventually no one will believe you when there really is a wolf.
@7 Bobbo,
I suppose I just don’t know the code words.
To me it reads like an attempt by Cisco to cover their ass.
And what’s so great about the middle class that they need protecting? Is Social Darwinism moving its gaze from the lower class to the middle?
#13–Steve==you make me laugh. You’ve been told about 5 times by 3 different people on this thread that that is the pretty obvious meaning of that ad but you “just don’t know the code words?” When was the last time you learned something? Why not add TODAY to you list?
Good Healthy Societies die when they have no Middle Class. Having no upper or lower class could work just fine although no such societies have never existed.
The issues here have nothing to do with Social Darwinism, why do you mention it? Seems you are batting 0 for 3. Well, there are other threads.
#14, and the reason why they have never existed is because no two people are born with the same desires, motivations and abilities. People dreaming of marxist utopia seem to conveniently overlook that.
@14 Bobbo
I suppose going 0 for 3 is the peril one faces when they multitask and try to be tongue in cheek.
re: learning the codewords.
If 5 people in a thread tell me that something is true… surely it must be.
re: Social Darwinism
You talked about the middle class being destroyed, sounds like strife between classes. Kinda like Social Darwinism. Back in the earlier use of the term it was the rich ignoring the plight of the poor. Here it could be employers ignoring the plight of the middle class.
there are other threads?
#13 I agree with the others…you’re not getting it. The middle class is the only buffer that protects the upper class from getting murdered by the lower class and the “nothing to lose and pissed off” poor. Generally the lower classes in the USA are very small, but because of the decimation of the middle class they are growing. At some point you can expect blood in the streets. Of course an out and out police state helps hold this back. So you must either want a police state or blood. Which is it?
I should mention that I’m concerned that too many Americans are thinking like you.
#15–Sea Lawyer==you don’t have to stretch it to Marxist Utopia to seek a society that is not so dysfunctional that a small upper class lives behind gates with armed private security and can’t leave their gilded cages. I would have said striving for a modicum of social justice, but I didn’t want to set you off.
#16–Steven==yes humor is difficult in a blog without using a smiley face or a (smile!)
Social Darwinism certainly explains some of what happens in any society but this thread is more about large international corporations violating US laws to exclude US workers in favor of foreign born workers thru their coded ads and their use of third party screening firms. Lawyers are good for this because in too many if not most cases they are not allowed to testify against their clients. Sweetheart deal.
This blog is made up of people. Most people get information from other people. I would take such info as something to look into/think about rather than agressively pretend you haven’t been educated.
BTW–more heart attacks are accompanied by a feeling of nausea and stiffness rather than a pain radiating down their right arm. Now you can ignore that information too, but I’m not trying to set you up! (smile!)
Off to bed for me.
#11 – Mr. Shit
>>How about until you can back that claim up
>>you first start finding some documented
>>cases.
What, you mean criminal cases? Cases documented on the Aryan Nation website?
I don’t need no stinkin’ cases. Asking me for “documented cases” of how this whole “secure borders” thing is anti-hispanicism is like asking for documented cases of how “people like nice things”.
It’s so self-evident, if you don’t see it, you’re too stupid to understand.
Go ask a “secure borders” fanatic how he’d like it if his daughter married a Mexican. Not an illegal alien, not a crack dealer or a gang member, just a Mexican. HAW! Like the Queen of Mean points out “when you go hispanic, the parents start to panic”.
Come on. You’re shitting me, right? You’re not really trying to say that all this outrage over illegal immigrants is because people want the jobs they take, or they’re concerned about the taxes they “don’t pay”, or that they may have phony license plates.
Slap some cold water on your face and get a grip on reality.
Christ.
@17 John C Dvorak
I don’t actually think like the post you’re pointing at. It’s been pointed out that I should’ve put a smiley (something I’m reluctant to do, but is apparently necessary when one kids online).
At current I reside in the middle class and if it eroded, I don’t think I’m in a position to jump to the higher, I’d fall into the lower.
@18 Bobbo
I take in what I read hear with skepticism. But I do take it in. 🙂
#21 – ‘dro
Heh. Que te jodas, m’hijito.
Cute ditty, but empty-headed. Just like your posts.
This kind of manipulation of the H1b type laws is old news.
There was even a video on the web of a lawyer presenting to prospective clients about how he can keep them (barely) legal while screwing Americans out of jobs – all this to save these companies money. I wish I had the reference for you.
Don’t get to upset but; anyone who doesn’t believe this is common practice is just naive. I have a nice bridge to sell them. It’s in Brooklyn.
As George carlin said (approximately), “You’ve got iPods that can make pancakes. Why should you worry?”
#23 – NotA
>>There was even a video on the web of a lawyer
>>presenting to prospective clients about how he
>>can keep them (barely) legal while screwing
>>Americans out of jobs
Well sure the H1b guys are screwing Americans out of jobs. And the jobs they (the barely legals) don’t get, Da Man offshores to Mumbai or Chennai.
It’s the tired, the poor, the huddled masses of now-illegal immigrants who are taking the shit jobs, the ones Buffy and Kyle wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot iPod cord.
And still, the rednecks and white-sheet-wearers insist they’re destroying the economy.
#24 (MM): Not everyone is Buffy or Kyle. When illegal workers at the meat packing plants were run off by the INS, Americans stepped in to work there. If you go to a state where there are fewer illegals, you will actually find fast food workers that are Americans.
If the work is done by Americans, the money stays here and continues to support our communities. If our young people can find starter jobs, they are less likely to be dependent upon parents for extended amounts of time.
#25 – Jeanne
Point taken.
I’m not supporting illegal immigration; I’m just saying that a lot of this anti-illegal furor is fueled more by ethnic and racial bias than by any valid economic or sociological reason.
And most people (not just Buffy and Kyle) don’t want to work in a meat-packing plant, they don’t want to work in a coal mine, they don’t want to work as itinerant farm laborers.
As I continue to assert, the main problem with illegal workers is that they’re illegal.
#26 Mister Mustard said,
“I’m just saying that a lot of this anti-illegal furor is fueled more by ethnic and racial bias than by any valid economic or sociological reason.”
MM you are a one-note horn. Racism here, racism there. Everything is due to racism. Believe it or not, the entire world does not revolve around racism.
When you cry wolf often enough, eventually no one will believe you when there really is a wolf.
“As I continue to assert, the main problem with illegal workers is that they’re illegal.”
And the main problem with most criminals is… they are criminals!
One note horn, Stever? Click my link.
I just wish people would be honest about their motivation.
This whole socio-economic basis for the hatred of illegals is a joke, meant to justify the actions of latter-day KKK’ers and Aryan Nation freaks.
Woops, wrong link. NSFW.
Why shouldn’t people be able to hire the best person for the job at the lowest salary? These aren’t low skill jobs. The alternative is that the high-tech companies will open office in those other countries. It’s easy to import software.
At start of the Tech Bubble,I worked in senior management for a company that ran Career Fairs in Canada (as well as the USA/Overseas, etc…). Anyways, we’d hold an event at the peak of the bubble and we’d have 80 companies exhibiting to hire at the event. Depending on the event, we’d have 40-60% of the companies from the USA hiring Canadians to bring them down on H1B.
At the time, it was widely known that all you had to do was put in an “honest effort” to hire locally. If no hires, you can go externally.
This was huge (called the Brain Drain) and a lot of talented people moved to the USA to work. This more of a time when it was actually hard to find some skillsets. It was back in the day when they would hire you if you were a fit to the company, not to the job (trying to get the right people and train/keep them).
The market has changed. H1Bs are hard to come by… no companies are going to Canada to hire.
I think those times are coming back in the next 4-6 years. I hope by then, there is a talent trade law, like the North American Free Trade Agreement… North America labour should be more a priority that international.
#17–JCD==I’m impressed. Whenever you choose to hammer a thread, you do so with eloquence.
Of course, my immediate desire is to disagree with you even though we completely agree. On this item, I see no wiggle room at all.
I’ll bet our views have been greatly shaped by traveling the world with our eyes open?
#20–Steve==you make a fine line between skepticism and aggressive ignorance. You are too intelligent to be naive. Travel much? (With your eyes open?)
#28–Mustard==another example of your religious mystical thinking. You have no facts, no studies, no links==just your “belief.” A belief that you apply to people even when they say “No, I’m not.” There is some small justification for using “beliefs” as a shield against life’s outrages, but when you use it as a spear, the basis of your belief comes into question.
I’ll bet that church you are a part of teaches the oneness of man? Is against National Borders all under the single and only relevant kingdom of god? Or some BS like that.
I think you can maintain your beliefs all you wish, but when you engage the real world outside your pew, you should use a different set of tools. Arguing belief just leaves you naked.
#33 – Bobo
Man, are you ever off base. I can only hope that you’re trolling. If you really believe the things you say…..whew! That’s scary.