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If this pans out, I wonder what the conspiracy nuts who claim HIV and AIDS were created to wipe out non-white races will do. Of course, the anti-evolution folks will ignore all this since evolution — even in viruses which would imply all organisms up to humans — doesn’t exist.
The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) responsible for most of the AIDS cases in the world infected people approximately 100 years ago, more than 20 years earlier than previously believed, according to findings presented here this week at the Evolution 2008 meeting. Its lesser known cousin, HIV-2, jumped into humans decades later, from a monkey species that carried the virus for just a couple of hundred years, not the millions of years researchers had assumed, according to other research presented at the meeting.
Researchers are trying to pin down the origins of both HIVs to understand how often new human viruses emerge. Both arose from simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) of other primates.
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By comparing the two sequences with more recent ones, Gemmel was able to show that HIV-1 first entered humans about 1908, not 1931, as earlier analyses with just the 1959 sample found. Her analysis also indicates that the virus existed in low levels in humans until the middle of the 20th century. “That matches the rise of population centers,” Gemmel explained, suggesting that urbanization around that time paved the way for the AIDS epidemic.
Even the most ardent anti-evolutionists aren’t against mutation within a type. They only have a problem with bananas mutating into cats.
I guess bestiality isn’t a new phenomena after all…
#1: Of course, no one who understands evolution would ever say they did.
However, the mutation of bananas into Technolocheese is much easier to comprehend…
#1 Truly impressive. You’ve managed to make both sides mad at you.
Who the hell cares? The question is how do we get rid of it. I couldn’t care less where it came from, that’s like asking where cancer started.
I suspect that the human origin theorists will simply stick to the line they are on now, that this “1960” sample is being held so close, with so few able to examine it, that it can not be trusted. Even assuming that the sample is real, and not contamination of some sort, basing all of these conclusions off of one sample, the only sample (out of many thousands of pre-79 African samples) found to contain the virus before the onset of the epidemic in 79-81 does seem to be. . scientifically shaky. I would say that any scientific study based upon one sample is bound to be innacurate.
I wonder how many anti-evolutionists still get their flu shots every year. Each strain is, to my knowledge, a new species.
More importantly, how do they feel about animal testing of drugs? I’m not referring to the ethics of the situation. I’m referring to why it works. If we are not related to rats, why test drugs on them? Ditto for rhesus monkeys and chimps (the latter, at least, should really not be used in medical labs, way too intelligent for such suffering).
#1 – asshat,
I have a problem with bananas mutating into cats too. I think you have some amazingly bad misunderstandings of evolution. I suggest you read something on the subject before posting again.
Here’s a good one: Your Inner Fish by Neil Shubin. He’s not anti-religious like Dawkins. So, you won’t burn in hell for reading his work.
This is a pretty problem for most anti-evolution theory types. Not for the first time, a virus which specific to one species of primates has jumped to another species of primates. Why not from a lizard to a human, for example.
Obviously due to the close genetic makeup of the two species due to a common ancestry. The larger the differences between species, the more difficult this is. Geneticists and epidemiologists predicted this about 50 years ago. It’s rare but it occurs and it tricky to study since you can’t use simple scientific methodology.
You really have to strain the rivets on the ship to make this work under a creationist hypothesis.
What if the human AIDS virus has been present in apes and monkeys for thousands or millions of years, and religious admonitions against bestiality and promiscuity were meant to protect us from it? Maybe if people long ago thought and acted as animals, only dire threats could contain potentially lethal behavior.
#2 bestiality has nothing to do with HIV jumping from primates to humans. primates in africa are hunted much like deer are hunted in america. the transfer took place when the infected animal was gutted and dressed out for meat.
#10
But they have tight puckers…
#11 – Angelito
You horny bastard!
# 10 Cap’nKangaroo : I know you weren’t addressing my comment, but I do understand that’s how AIDS made it from apes to people. I would never in a million years eat ape meat. They are our relatives and too much like people. It would be like eating a little hairy person! It would be like eating an Italian person. Would you eat Tony Danza? No. See what I mean? 😉
#7 hatass
Don’t like it when someone draws an unfair characature of your scientific findings but ok for science types to do the same in the name of satire?
It’s different when the glove is on the other foot, huh?
@#13 – “I would never in a million years eat ape meat.”
Maybe not willingly or knowingly but you probably already have.
#15 “If we want it, what’s the problem?”
Yeah right. I guess the New Zealand beef I bought at Whole Foods was really chimp meat. LOL
“I wonder how many anti-evolutionists still get their flu shots every year. Each strain is, to my knowledge, a new species.”
What, is that as in how a Norwegian Forest Cat is a different species to a Snow Leopard, or how Norwegian Forest Cat is a different species to Snail?
#17 – Paddy-O
>>#15 “If we want it, what’s the problem?”
>>blah blah chimp meat blah blah
Are you Bobbo in disguise? What the fuck are you talking about?
#19 – Weird, I typed, “Maybe not willingly or knowingly but you probably already have.” – from post #16.
Then, “Yeah right. I guess the New Zealand beef I bought at Whole Foods was really chimp meat. LOL”
Don’t know what happened.
Another brick to show that the CITIZATION(grouping of Humans in large groups) Is NOT a good idea, except for BUSINESS.
This also works for defending against Nuke attacks, dirty bombs, Virus infections, and many other problems..
SPREAD OUT, get some room around you..
only 100 years, i’ve read of indications that it has been around for couple thousand.
#22 – I have no idea. Who cares? It’s almost impossible to catch unless you are doing s/g stupid.
#10 – Rich,
What if the human AIDS virus has been present in apes and monkeys for thousands or millions of years, and religious admonitions against bestiality and promiscuity were meant to protect us from it? Maybe if people long ago thought and acted as animals, only dire threats could contain potentially lethal behavior.
A number of people have said this correctly already. #11 Capn Kangaroo correctly pointed out that the jump was through bush meat. #12 – Angel, that horny bastard, correctly pointed out that human fat penises would never fit in tight ape vaginas, which are the right size for the ape pencil dicks. But good for you for not eating ape. I wouldn’t eat any primate personally, nor any dolphin nor most predators.
This is one of the more virulent mutated strains of HIV science fiction that has infected the public for decades now.
The bridge they keep trying to sell you has been renamed HIV.
All we ever hear about is other animals infecting us. How come no reports of us infecting them? I assume its a two-way street. Don’t know what issues that would help us understand, but learning where something came from should be a help in controlling it?
Scott–you seem to be of the position that AIDS should be wiped out. Just checking the status of your desire to preserve all the species on mother earth. Once you start killing virii, who knows where the slippery slope will take you to maintaining your own species over others?
Interesting that they think it jumped around the time of the Tunguska event.
#27 – bobbo,
All we ever hear about is other animals infecting us. How come no reports of us infecting them?
Actually bobbo, when my wife and I went to see the mountain gorillas in Rwanda were were allowed only one hour at a time with the gorillas. Further, we were to keep at least 7 meters from them. They were allowed to get within 2 meters of us. We were also not allowed to go to the bathroom within some larger distance of them and were to tell the gorilla trackers if necessary to dig us a pit. All of this was to prevent disease transmission. With 6+ billion of us and only 600+ of the mountain gorillas in the world, I assure you this was not for our protection. It was for theirsl. And, yes, disease transmission from us to them was a big consideration.
#29–Scott–good to know there is disease equity.
I guess you didn’t answer my direct question to you because you don’t want to admit you aren’t the grand misanthrope you pose as? Its ok to tolerate your own species Scott.