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| Dipshits Hardiman and Agema Pushing the Bill in Michigan | ||
I’m sure the citizens of the state are proud that they are now in the same camp as the dummies in Louisiana who are passing a similar bill cited here.
Teachers shouldn’t be prevented from discussing alternative views of evolution, global warming and other controversial topics in their science classes, according to a bill backed by some local lawmakers.
But some evolution advocates say identical bills submitted in the state Senate and House are “Trojan horse legislation” intended to open the door to allow schools to teach intelligent design — a belief that life is the result of a creator — under the guise of academic freedom.
Gregory Forbes, a Grand Rapids Community College science professor, said there is nothing in the bills that demand teaching intelligent design with or in place of evolution.
But he said the lawmakers who sponsored the bills — including state Sen. Bill Hardiman, R-Grand Rapids, and Rep. Dave Agema, R-Grandville — previously backed bills promoting intelligent design, and a version of the bill appeared on the Web site of the Discovery Institute, a Seattle think tank that has supported similar attempts.
Postage stamp proves dinosaurs and men walked together on earth. Otherwise why would they put it on a stamp?
#56 – Bobbolina, #59 – Mr. CS
Yeah, what the fuck ARE you talking about Bobbo? Doesn’t it trouble you that “what the fuck are you talking about?” seems to be the response to a large number of your posts?
You dearly do love to see your name as the “author” of a post, don’t you? Are you possibly a frustrated J. K. Rowling? A frustrated Deepak Chopra? You’ve got some work to do.
Mr. C. David Parsons, I have to thank you. I rarely get to start my day out with such a good laugh.
#62–CDP==hah hah.
#63–QB–its not nice to make fun of retards.
bobbo, I was seriously on the floor laughing. Luckily there is a giant gravity crystal in the middle of earth to keep me from flying into space.
Editor–if DU 2.0 comes out, a mailed notice that the dead horse is still being flogged would be a nice option.
#60–Catshit==you ask: “If I’m wrong on anything, please post some factual links demonstrating such.” /// You are wrong on the basic definition of words and back it up with what I assume are simple misstatements caused by inattention?
From the online Merriam Websters:
Science: 3 a: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method /// Bobbonote: emphasis on the “scientific methold”
Belief: 1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence /// Bobbonote: no mention of the “scientific method”
So, by easy implication, a scientist is involved in a method of investigation. A believer has rested.
Now, one might want to try to untwist your confusion of the two concepts above, except you indicate this is unlikely given you continue at
#54 with:
When you can find that “missing link” between man and apes then we don’t need to believe man’s decent. //// There is no missing link between man and apes–we are of common descent.
You continue with:
Or demonstrate the demise of the dinosaurs with other than circumstantial evidence and conjecture. /// The implication is that all those dinosaurs are still with us or never existed?
Your grounding in basic science facts is so absent that untwisting the “belief in the scientific method” from “belief in general” is not going to be time well spent.
I’ll leave you to commune with Mr Mustard of the delights of defining words any way you want to.
#64 – Bobbo
>>its not nice to make fun of retards.
According to the posted infomercial in #62, “The Quest for Right is not only better at explaining natural phenomena, but also may be verified through testing..
Before you dismiss out of ignorance, why not do some testing. Confirm or debunk. Then get back to us.
Don’t let your blind (dare I say religious?) faith in neutrinos, photons, mesons, quarks, Z’s, bosons, etc. get in the way of your relentless search for logic and truth.
Come on, dude. This is no “big Santa Claus in the sky answering my prayers” mumbo-jumbo. This stuff can be TESTED.
So test, then get back to us with the results.
Bobster, it sounds like the dictionary has your number!!
“Belief: 1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence /// Bobbonote: no mention of the “scientific method”
////Mus//tard///note: Bobbo refuses to entertain testable hypotheses, relying on his blind faith in the abstruse mathematical calculations of others.
Mustard, “Before you dismiss out of ignorance, why not do some testing. Confirm or debunk. Then get back to us.”
You can’t be serious on this one. Here’s my current favourite quote:
“Unveils the fundamental truth, based on the scientific record of creation, that the earth accreted from a watery nebula; the great surging mass of water and chemicals had no particular shape and covered thousands of square miles of interstellar space.”
I also like the bits about hydrogen being too light to be held by “fingers of gravity” so it must be bound to a heavier element like oxygen. The gravity, of course, is generated by a giant crystal in the middle of the earth.
But who am I to argue. He spent a whole year at Virginia Commonwealth University where he took courses on Mathematical Elucidation among other things.
Parsons wrote:
“By Stephen L of the newsgroups.derkeiler.com wrote….Summoning the dark forces of quantum mysticism, with mathematical incantations, possesses the power to bewilder, and thus con, the average persons seemingly at will, into believing the bizarre and surreal”
You’re killing me here. Now don’t get me wrong, I work with some great sales people, and they are worth their weigh in gold. But I have to ask you:
You were in sales? Right? What was it? Ad space, cars, real estate, or what?
#69–Mustard, you do crack me up. Religion has you so twisted that you jump on CD Parsons as if he was anything but a retard just because he says his “Day of Victory” is “testable?” Haw!!
Thats like asking someone coming upon a pile of dogshit to taste it to make sure. No, the smell and shape are sufficient for me to spend my time elsewhere.
You do know it is impossible, aka nonsense, to talk about square yards of anything in three dimension space? Fingers of Gravity is a nice metaphor==they can be used to pick thru that dog shit looking for the individuals kernels of lucidity. Have fun.
Cubie, Bobster….
OK, just don’t be spewing your “I’m so down wif da scientific method” silliness anymore.
You’re every bit the believer that Billy Graham is. You just believe in different things, preached by different priests.
Admit it, boys. You’ve never seen a fucking boson or a lepton, and you wouldn’t know one if it crawled up your pants and bit you on the pecker.
“All praise XXXX!!”. The only difference between you and faith healers is that your XXXX’s are different.
Haw! **BUSTED!!**
#73–Mustard==yea, except our XXXX brings you everything you know. Your XXXX brings you nothing and without the scientific method, we would still be living in caves.
Thats a bit of objective realism.
Musty old lad, this guy is not Francis Collins (Director of the US National Genome Institute and an evangelical Christian).
Although I don’t agree with Dr Collins, I deeply respect his opinions and his reasoning and I would drop whatever it is that I’m doing to go listen to him speak. David Quinn is Catholic journalist who debates this as well. I’d suggest you look them both up to start.
Parsons on the other hand is an embarrassing nightmare to you and all Christians.
#9 said “I will let the Bible be my guide.”
This is my guide: http://tinyurl.com/579lt5
>>our XXXX brings you everything you know.
“our”???? Ooh, are you one a them thar eggheaded scientist too, Booboo? One a them thar smart folks who nows all about leptons and muons and dark particles, ’cause ya seen ’em with yer own two eyes?
>>without the scientific method, we would
>>still be living in caves.
And without the spiritual/ humanistic half of life, we would be dried out, wrinkled up husks of humans, like you and Mao, walking around in silly uniforms.
It’s only the true renaissance man who can meld the two important halves of live into a rewarding and meaningful whole.
I wish you luck in achieving success.