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Among Microsoft’s problems, the pair said, is Windows’ rapidly-expanding code base, which makes it virtually impossible to quickly craft a new version with meaningful changes. That was proved by Vista, they said, when Microsoft — frustrated by lack of progress during the five-year development effort on the new operating — hit the “reset” button and dropped back to the more stable code of Windows Server 2003 as the foundation of Vista.
Other analysts, including those at Gartner rival Forrester Research Inc., have highlighted the slow move toward Vista. Last month, Forrester said that by the end of 2007 only 6.3% of 50,000 enterprise computer users it surveyed were working with Vista. What gains Vista made during its first year, added Forrester, appeared to be at the expense of Windows 2000; Windows XP’s share hardly budged.
Even the scorned Vista Home Basic won’t fit on entry-level computers. They have to be sold with XP onboard.
#28
Hi Pat, I can if you like, turn off Aero and quit exaggerating so much. You provide generalities not actual specifications so I can’t really diagnose why Vista is “half” the speed of XP on a Dell. If you don’t like Vista then dump it for something you do like. This is not rocket science.
Look folks Vista is not the answer to the worlds computing experience. No currently available O/S is. Buy what you want/need and make it work for you. Whining about personal predispositions is so James Hill.
#30 That may be the plan now, but Vista has shown us that M$ has lofty goals, that it can not deliver on. How many cool new technologies were suppose to be in Vista, but were dropped in the end for the same old, same old.
Aero is the best part of Vista. I have a semi-Vista skin for XP but it’s not the same.
#30
Oh so correct.
Mac OS X on a PC?
All you babies that are crying that Vista is crap should put on your Pampers and go away. If you don’t like something–hey here’s an idea–DON’T BUY IT. Go buy an Apple.
You’d have to pry my Vista Ultimate from my cold, dead hands though.
#31 – “Hi Pat, I can if you like, turn off Aero and quit exaggerating”
I just did. Quite a bit faster but still slower than my XP. How long have you worked for MS?
#31 – Whining about personal predispositions is so James Hill.
THAT made me laugh 🙂
#36 – “You’d have to pry my Vista Ultimate from my cold, dead hands though.”
If you use it for anything mission critical, that may happen sooner than you wish…
#37
Oh Pat, Pat, Pat, you caught me! I am paid millions by MS to hassle you and make sure your experience with Vista on a fujitsu sucks. I’m pretty good at it ain’t I. I obviously did fuck up on the make you, yes you Pat, think XP sucks campaign we were running 7 years ago tho. No wait, I remember now, you buckled back then and you shall kneel now. Your welcome.
FYI, I run VISTA/XP/RH/Ubuntu on a variety of systems depending on what I want them to do. Vista/XP on the kids computers for games and compatibility with school stuff. Vista on my new gaming computer. RedHat runs the house web and media servers. I have also one Ubuntu install out on a computer in the garage for auto tinkering/building info from the internet, as well as one in the kitchen for internet and entertainment/news in the morning.
You see, I can afford 6 computers, which all cost less than $1000 each, 3 of them less than $500, because MS pays me so well to fuck with you.
Whats your excuse?
I like that ‘pry it from my cold, dead hands’ approach. That’s about when I plan to give up my Win XP Pro. I run XP Pro because I want my comp working the same way every time I use it. They finally have it completed and working good and now I’m supposed to jump to a NEW incomplete and flawed OS? NOT. And Winblows 7 (the next chronically flawed loser OS) is already close to -ahem- finished? SCREW THAT SHIT. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again now: if they want me to buy it, they better learn to have it COMPLETE and flawlessly functional or I’m not paying for it. I don’t pay for a car that only has 6 out of 8 cylinders running and I won’t pay the vole for another failed effort.
I like the hi res screen on my Vista laptop, personally, but people need choice in the resolution, in case they need more processor speed for number crunching–of for displaying pretty pics if that’s what they want to do.
#21: Killing Windows Transparency (easy, uncheck a single checkbox) makes the Aero UI run very quickly indeed, is also far less ugly if the “windows” aren’t transparent. Sidebar also reduces interface speed a bit, but it’s almost unnoticeable, and you can always turn it off when you don’t need it (true of the Mac equivalent also).
I agree the Darth Vader theme on the default Start Menu is ugly. The menu should match the theme color, and more colors should be available for those of us (like my art student daughter) that want a wild and crazy user interface (Apple’s guilty of this also, from what I can tell).
I agree with Pirate.
I have installed Vista 64 Ulitmate on 3 more machines since the last argument on DU. All of them work fine. These machines were bought just to run Photoshop and cost less than $2000 each.
People who don’t like Vista either haven’t tried it or have crap hardware or can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
#43 – Yep, and why IT mgrs are implementing Vista on the client side in droves. LOL
So what about ReactOS, an open-source reverse engineered XP?
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Every Vista thread ends like this.
In closing – yes, with 2GB Vista does a reasonably good job of running Vista.
Careful Pat, that may be a James Hill lurking in your lap(top). Not that there is anything wrong with that.
#44 pat
The reason has more to do with the fact that in addition to the software they would also have to upgrade the hardware. That’s because most companies don’t buy hardware every 3 months like some of us do. IT departments are notoriously cheap. Also, have you seen the crap PCs they plop on peoples desktops at most companies? Most of them are doorstops!
#17
> Vista isnt useing ALL the CORES yet
That is simply not true. All NT operating systems have been able to use multiple processors from the beginning.
By the way, depending on how the OS “simply runs a legacy VM” to run an old app, that could either A: be a maintenance headache as all of your current settings, desktop icons, favorites etc would be lost or a gapping security hole.
A huge reason that companies have not migrated is because of the extra support costs. Many users have to be retrained to figure out where Mickey hid the feature they want because they dummied everything. This is also true of Office 2007.
From a developer’s standpoint, XP Pro is no spring chicken either. I switched some time ago to Win2k3 because XP is too limiting for SOA type development and I did not want to spend half my day trying figure out how Vista now does XYZ.
#6 — does anyone ever consider the fact that nobody at Microsoft actually knows what they are doing? And all they are dealing with is spaghetti?
So forget these “logical” ideas.
Pirate,
Pat makes a very good point about his machine being so slow. If the product does not work as advertised (or even implied) then it is not living up to its potential. The comment that “well blame your hardware” is bull. His hardware meets the Vista standard.
The analogy would be you buy a minivan because it all the extras; hide away seats, fantastic gas mileage, DVD players, swivel seats, and 4-place independent climate control. After you get it in the driveway you discover that to use all those options you need to fill up with 100 octane aviation fuel*. If you don’t, everything sucks and it drives like a slug.
* available only at your local airport @ $6.00/gal
Microsoft lost it’s way, ambition and greed often result in this. I mean, if you’re going to publish an operating system do just that. For those who have never used anything but windows – that means software to administer a computer’s resources(no more, no less). Microsoft seems to be trying to create the swiss army knife of software and include everything. Their vision of the future of computing is flawed. Their success has more to do with business accumen than the quality of their products. Their impact on the industry has been disasterous for many, and thing’s look like they’ll get worse before they improve.
#51
John, you know that is not true. Some of the best developers in the world work at Microsoft. If I had to peg a couple of causes for the Vista debacle it would be:
1. Legacy applications. If Microsoft creates breaking changes, millions of lines of code outside of Microsoft breaks. That does not make customers happy. Look at the cow that people had when Microsoft stopped supporting VB6 and tried to move everyone to Fred.NET (aka VB.NET).
2. Size. When you have a code base that is millions of lines of code, no one can possibly know everything about the system. Therefore, everyone specializes and knows their small piece of the universe. The problem is that it then makes it difficult for someone to look above all of that and see the big picture and effect change in the big picture. Even so, that has happened on occasion in small degrees such as with the upcoming IE8.
3. Big-corporation-itis. Related to #2, when a company gets big enough, its internal processes become a byzantine maze of approvals and verifications. It makes it very difficult to effect system-wide change in any sort of reasonable timeframe. In addition, the decision process changes from what is best for stability to what is best for sales rep XYZ who wants to make their customer happy. That is what happened with the “Vista Compatible” logo requirements. I would bet that machines with the “Design for Vista” logo perform well.
My biggest problem with Vista is that Microsoft spent so much time making sure Grandma could use it that they made it a chore for anyone that knows what they are doing to use it.
51–Thomas==I’m no expert, or even dabbler, but the problem with Vista is in part because of a top made, system wide, big picture decision. In this case, DRM.
Who do you think made that decision and why?
Microsoft’s problem is leadership. The rate of the pack is determined by the speed of the leader and Bladmer’s head looks like a speed bump.
Pirate,
Sence you like personal notes, let me say that i have about 30 years experience with computers.
mostly OTHER then windows and INTEL.
Iv watched MS stomp on alot of companies. In truth, i wouldnt mind the Old days when there were options. MS KEEPS the others around, so they can say that they have competition. They even GIVE money to them, to keep them ALIVE.
New computers WITHOUT vista?? And a NON-Geek Knows this HOW??
HOw would I know a system/OS thats for the HOME…EASY…CUT the DRM, Cut the DELETING of NON-licensed music and video.. Its an OS, its NOT the judge of what I DO WITH IT.
Have you ever used a parallel processed machine??
have you ever used a system that used Time based correction for audio and video?
The price of a PENTIUM at good will, is about $50 and and WILL do about 90% of what most businesses want/need.