Steve Marshall is a British travel agent. He lives in Spain, and he sells trips to Europeans who want to go to sunny places, including Cuba. In October, about 80 of his Web sites stopped working because of the U.S. government…

It turned out, though, that Marshall’s Web sites had been put on a U.S. Treasury Department blacklist and, as a consequence, his domain name registrar, eNom, which is based in the United States, had disabled them. Marshall said eNom told him it did so after a call from the Treasury Department; the company says it learned that the sites were on the blacklist through a blog.

Marshall said he did not understand “how Web sites owned by a British national operating via a Spanish travel agency can be affected by U.S. law.” Worse, he said, “these days not even a judge is required for the U.S. government to censor online materials…”

Susan Crawford, a visiting law professor at Yale and a leading authority on Internet law, said the fact that many large domain name registrars are based in the United States gives the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, control “over a great deal of speech – none of which may be actually hosted in the U.S., about the U.S. or conflicting with any U.S. rights.”

“OFAC apparently has the power to order that this speech disappear,” Crawford said.

Some Domain name registrars have the same concern for Constitutional freedoms as our Telcos.




  1. patrick says:

    Why he would use a U.S. registrar to conduct business that is illegal in the U.S. is the bigger question…

  2. Johan says:

    Censurship? What the ****!
    This whole USA vs. Cuba thing is getting so old. If you do business with China then you really can’t keep any sanctions against Cuba. I mean, c’mon, you got a military base down there just to escape your own constitution!

  3. Joe says:

    It’s time to find new domain name registrars outside of the U.S. and hopefully put the registrars based in the States out of business. Then hopefully people will lose their jobs and suffer because of their fanatical government.

  4. patrick says:

    #5 – Too funny but, just a pipe dream as long as other countries have even stricter speech restrictions…

  5. Steve-O says:

    I have flown over Cuba a couple of times to scuba dive in the Caymans.

    I heard someone say that they would love to dive around Cuba because it was so pristine because we as Americans were not allowed to go there.

    Hmm, I see the logic in their thinking. About 260 countries and provinces around the world and one can’t travel to Cuba so that must mean that none of the others can or do as well.

    Yeah, the embargo is keeping the waters off Cuba nice and pristine. Well, except for maybe all the dead Cuban boat people….

  6. keane-o says:

    Gee. Glad to see you’re worried about dead boat people in the Caribbean, steve-o. Excepting the non-white flavor from “free” Haiti.

  7. the answer says:

    “In October, about 80 of his Web sites stopped working because of the U.S. government…”

    Who has 80 websites for one business?

    The UN is right to say the US has too much influence on the net.

  8. patrick says:

    #9 – “The UN is right to say the US has too much influence on the net.”

    Yep. We invented it so no surprise there is influence. But, rather have the US than EU or China running things…

  9. Rustynail says:

    Another reason to stay away from everything American. Is it possible? They have their noses in to everything.

  10. pjakobs says:

    finally the US government picks the really important problems.

    Good grief, can anyone explain the frame of mind needed for this to sound like a good idea?

    pj

  11. TatooYou says:

    Last line from the linked story;

    “Treasury Department should not be interfering with domain names just as it does not interfere with telecommunications lines”

    That’s funny!

  12. Steve-O says:

    #8 keane-o – I feel bad for all the people in Haiti and Cuba dying why trying to reach the US for a better life.

    #9 the answer – We built the Internet and the UN can pound for all I care what those corrupt assholes think.

    Hey, maybe Rosie Odipshit can go over to the UN building and watch what a real implosion looks like…

  13. patrick says:

    #11 – yep, stay away from everything American.

    Let’s see; Bifocal Glasses; Cotton Gin; Refrigerator; Coffee pot; Sewing machine;
    Threshing machine; Combine Harvester; Power Tools; Anesthesia; Safety Pin;
    Passenger Elevator Safety System; Burglar Alarm; Modern Pin Tumbler Lock;
    Motorcycle; Toilet Paper; Electric Dental Drill; Blue Jeans; Telephone;
    Incandescent Light; Cash Register; Hearing Aid; Electric Fan; Skyscraper;
    Camera; Escalator; Zipper; Safety razor; Assembly Line Production;
    Air Conditioner; Aeroplane; Windshield Wipers; Frozen Food; Photocopier;
    Nylon; Defibrillator; Microwave Oven; Cellular Phones ;Heart-lung machine;
    Polio Vaccine; Integrated Circuit; Laser; Operating System; Minicomputer;
    Optical Fiber; Calculator; Barcode; Artificial Heart; Internet Graphic User Interface.

    Make sure you stay away from these. Have a nice (short) life. ROFL!

  14. GetSmart says:

    It’s easy to stay away from everything made in America. But you have to go into an American Walmart, K-Mart, Target, or Home Depot to do that.

  15. GetSmart says:

    Oh, Wait! Some of those stores on my list may have a grocery section. So a small amount of the food might be grown in America.

  16. amodedoma says:

    Extremely lame. Don’t these clowns know that they’re shooting themselves in the foot. I imagine there’ll be more and more servers hosting and registering overseas.
    Blessed be TCP-IP!

  17. patrick says:

    #18 – “I imagine there’ll be more and more servers hosting and registering overseas.”

    Yes, would hate to lose the massive amount of internet business connected to Cuba…

  18. jbellies says:

    Mexicans, about 1,000,000 a year, also flee to the USA “for a better life”. Canadians have been sunning themselves in Cuba (e.g. Varadero) for decades. It’s also a great place for bicycle vacations, as there aren’t that many cars on the road. And the bicycle repairman might have a University degree…. The flights don’t pick up passengers in the USA. However, I do notice that one of the major Canada to Cuba carriers, even though it does have a .ca website, also does fly to the USA, so it could be hobbled by the same rules.

    Steve Marshall needed a USA-based registrar in order for his sites to have a .com suffix. He could have gone with .co.uk or .es or .it at no risk. He gambled, and he rolled boxcars.

  19. Steve-O says:

    If someone from the USA wants to go to Cuba all they have to go is go through one of the countries that allows it. When you get to Cuba rumor has it that they will not stamp your passport for you so that the assholes at US Customs won’t arrest you when you get home.

    Shhh, that’s supposed to be a secret.

  20. the answer says:

    But why can’t the Eu or the UN have their own style of internet? I thought they were a bunch of computers linked all over the world. Why not say Spain have their own servers and what not?

    For someone named the answer I sure ask a lot of questions

  21. patrick says:

    #22

    Like China? The answer is, they can and do. It mostly revolves around censorship, like Germany throwing you in jail if you post a holocaust denial article. In reality, if you do something illegal in a country that you host from you can get in trouble. Hence, this article we are all commenting on. So, whose censorship to you hate the least?

  22. Pierre Larsen says:

    #9 I would prefer the EU to run the Internet. Civil rights still have some small meaning in the EU. – for now.

    #15 Impressive list of inventions from an impressive country – at the time.

    Just how many of these items are no longer manufactured in the US? How many of the items can be bought outside the US?

    BTW: Impressive list but:
    Motorcycle invented in Germany, 1885
    Toilet paper existed in China 589 AD
    Refrigerator Scotland 18th century
    Coffee pot – only if you think of a certain kind
    Sewing Machine England, Industrial Revolution
    Power tools, England, Industrial Revolution
    Anesthesia – prehistory. The old Greek medical texts discussed opiums
    Safety pin – Greece 14th century BC, but reinvented in the US
    Incandescent light, Great Britain, 1802. The bulb is a bit unclear. But Edison made it work.
    Camera, Iraq, around 1020

  23. patrick says:

    #24 EU is good except sucks on freedom of speach.

    “The earliest motorcycle was a coal-powered, two-cylinder, steam-driven motorcycle that was developed in 1867 by the American inventor Sylvester Howard Roper. A gas-powered motorcycle was invented by the German inventor Gottlieb Daimler in 1885. His mostly wooden motorcycle had iron-banded wheels with wooden spokes. This bone-crunching vehicle was powered by a single-cylinder engine.”

    Most of your other examples are also wrong. As far as “at the Time” comment goes; The internet is so yesterday… LOL

  24. Oh no. There goes my vacation trip to Cuba.
    What on earth was so valuable in Cuba that this vendetta against Cuba has been maintained by so many American presidents and administrations ?
    Guess it was the sugar cane fields. What else was there in Cuba at the time ?
    Imagine if all this effort had been devoted to alternative fuels and fuel efficient vehicles to export around the globe .

  25. Dallas says:

    #26. That is a an easy question to answer. VOTES

    The Cuban community in South Florida are single issue oriented. That is, keep a squeeze on the Castro government.

    I’m afraid this is where Democraps and Repukeicans have come together to both suck up to those Cuban exiles.

    It’s a 40 year tragedy in foreign affairs.

  26. Mister Catshit says:

    #15, patrick,

    I don’t know which right wing nut site you got this list from, but it is rife with errors. Pierre, #24, pointed out a few. Let me add to the list.

    The first cameras were constructed in France (Daguerre) and Britain (Talbot) independently and simultaneous. The camera obscura does predate that by several centuries.

    The first tall skyscraper was the Eiffel tower. Then there was the 16th century Yemen city of Shibam with over 500 buildings of 5 to 9 stories tall.

    The assembly line was first used in Britain in the late 1700s at the start of the Industrial Revolution with the Brown Bess military rifle.

    Frozen Food was an idea long used before Birdseye ever saw it. It was a staple of survival in the far north.

    The Microwave oven was an offshoot from the British radar operators habit of warming up their dinners by placing them near the radar magnetron during WWII. Another invention given to the Americans during the war.

    Optical Fiber transmission was first introduced in the 1840s by French, Swiss, and Irish inventors. The optical fiber as we know it today was invented by an Indian/English scientist.

    It is a fact that Americans did invent the electrical chair as a means to execute death penalty cases and make popcorn. That, however, was an outgrowth of some idiot flying a kite during an electrical storm.

    Patrick, do you ever get embarrassed by your poorly researched garbage?

  27. HMeyers says:

    The embargo of Cuba is stupid. If there wasn’t an embargo, Cuba would have collapsed a long time ago.

    Embargos are for countries like North Korea that have secure borders; the USSR didn’t dissolve because of an embargo, it dissolved due to increased interaction with the outside world.

    Which is stupidly what we trying to discourage from happening with Cuba.

  28. Harriss says:

    US thinks that their law applies to everyone in the world. Just like the mafia, if you are not for us you are our enemy, and the US send over the guns, Iraq for instance. Rule no1 on the internet. Never get involved with US companies on the web – no way any way.

    Rick


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