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OK – I just helped a friend buy a new laptop computer. Her previous computer, a 6 year old Windows XP laptop was stolen. We considered going Mac but she isn’t rich and we found the above computer on sale at Fry’s. After checking with friends I’m told that Vista has graduated from terrible to at least not terrible. We are about to start the process of turning it on for the first time and going through the install. So this is going to be a live install and as we go through the steps I’m going to report live the good, the bad, and the ugly.

First, the specs. The above computer is a Fujitsu Lifebook A3130. Features are as follows:

  1. AMD Turion 64 bit X2 processor
  2. 2 gigs of ram – (Vista likes lots of ram)
  3. 160 GB drive
  4. 15.4 inch 1280×800 screen
  5. DVD Dual Layer – R/W burner, 5 USB ports, Firewire,2 PCM/CIA, memory stick reader, etc.
  6. Only cost $700

Amazing how much power you get for just $700. Wow!

The user is a Japanese lady named Junko. She is a normal consumer-level user who will need both English and Japanese installed. The goal is to get it up and running, download various upgrades, delete all the unnecessary garbage and install Firefox, Thunderbird, Star Office and whatever else we need to get her basically going; not doing anything fancy and hoping for “just works”.

So this article is going to grow as we go through the process. Whatever happens I’m going to write about it as it occurs. Feel free to add comments.

Unboxed the computer. It appears to actually be new rather than a return. When you shop at Frys you never know what you’ll get. They are bad for trying to sell you used and possibly defective merchandise as new, so you have to watch out. I have it plugged in and lights on the front make me think that the batteries are charging.

Turned it on. Came up in text mode at first and it appears to be installing. I’m guessing it has some kind of install partition. Gui screen up but in a “Please Wait” mode. Looks very busy. It appears to have just run an installer and is now actually booting Vista for the first time.

We are now picking the picture, user name and password. She chose the goldfish. Also got to choose the desktop picture. The eye candy has improved a lot during install. Good progress indicator bars. I hate it when computers sit there for minutes and you don’t know if it’s thinking or crashed.

I notice that the desktop icons still have that damn arrow in the lower right hand corner. I was hoping they would have gotten rid of that by now. We have gone through the second reboot. I think it’s telling us that, unless we register, some things are going to be in cripple mode. (Obviously they didn’t word it that way but I know what it means.)

I went to Windows Update first, you always do that with Windows and we’re downloading 44 updates. About 112 megs or so. So far so good. Everything has worked to this point. Still waiting on the initial updates to download and complete.

Installing updates ….. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzz

In the meantime, I installed Firefox and Thunderbird. If there are any other must haves leave it in the comments and put a link to where we can download it.

OK – rebooting after installing 44 updates. ZZZzzzzZZZZzzz

Took 10 minutes to process the 44 updates after boot but finally ready to log in.

Went to the menu, selected Japanese and she is now typing Japanese emailing her mother.

OK – so at this point I have to say, it just works. Not a single thing went wrong. Nothing looked stupid. The initial upgrade took a little longer than I expected but that’s no big deal. It didn’t do any nagging on registration. I assume it went out and registered with MS or something but I’m giving it a thumbs up and I’m going to say that it was the smoothest install of any OS I have ever done in my life.

Granted that I haven’t tried to do anything tricky yet and haven’t read any instructions at all, so I can’t say it’s fully tested. But for the task that I set out here, Vista gets 100% and not only did everything just work, but the presentation during the install was excellent. So on top of the 100%, I’m giving extra points for style. I’ve never turned on a virgin Mac, but the Mac would have to be very impressive to match this.

It worked better than I expected. But my expectations were low based on what people were saying. One thing about Microsoft is that even if they introduce something that’s broken, they do eventually fix it.

For those of you running a Linux desktop and wondering why people pay big bucks for Windows when they can get Linux for nothing, this is why. When you turn it on and everything just works, that’s worth paying for.

If the average person tried to do the same thing with ANY distro it would cost them more money to hire a geek than Windows cost. And even then I doubt everything would work. Linux is lucky to get the screen right and you can probably forget about using the wireless lan. And you’re not going to just browse to YouTube and watch a video.

Maybe later I should install a dual boot with Linux. Someone tell me which distro to put up against Vista. Do we have a challenger? I’d love to call Linux the winner. In fact I’m biased in favor of Linux. So – who has a Linux distro to go up against Vista?

I also have to say that this is one fine laptop. It has that, “I really like this laptop” feel. Sort of the way you feel if you own a Honda. Thumbs up on Fujitsu Lifebooks.




  1. Les says:

    Good luck, I’d stick with XP.

  2. TIHZ_HO says:

    In a way this is the type of entries one would expect on DU and I would hope for more of the same. I find that USA computer mags seem to be more reviews of stuff and the “doing things” part tends to be dumbed down – for Americans maybe?

    Anyway I am curious how this progresses as I set up many a PC with Chinese as a second input language (typing pinyin to Chinese characters) and would like to see how the Japanese input goes for you.

    $700 for this well loaded laptop is also why PCs will always be dominant over Apple which is more fashion than function.

    Cheers

  3. TIHZ_HO says:

    Why mess around with Star Office for $69 and just get MS (2003) Office for a little more? Its the format oddies that come up at times with Star to MS and back again.

    More importantly how will the English version of Star Office take with Japanese language input? English MS Office works seamlessly with Chinese input and I would expect it is the same with Japanese.

    I hope you aren’t planning to run any Japanese language software on an English OS – like the Japanese version of Star Office (StarSuite). If the experiences of Chinese language software on a English OS is any example you’re setting yourself up for a lot of pain… 🙂

    Cheers

  4. TIHZ_HO says:

    #1 Knee jerk reaction?

  5. Mike says:

    Why not Open Office?

  6. Mike says:

    Then what happened? Has it crashed? Hello?

  7. Mike says:

    Vista SP1 is now available, but not required. I think you have to look for it. I hear that it rolls up a load of patches into one. Might save you some time.

  8. Little arrows on the links are necessity. They could have thought of something more stylish but you want to know which icon is a real file and which is a link just by looking at it.

  9. Mike says:

    Tweak UI for XP lets you change the shortcut arrow overlay, you should check to see if it works in Vista. (Doesn’t bother me.)

  10. Named says:

    Don’t forget, you can customize the user logon icons and even the logon screen. Get Logon Studio for vista from Stardock. Free.

    I’m rooting for you. I have vista on 1 desktop and 2 laptops with no issues at all.

    BTW, which Vista did it come with?

  11. mperkel says:

    #3 Where do you get Office 2003 for $69? Can we buy it and install it online?

  12. Mike says:

    It is less common to see Vista install problems on hardware that it was shipped with (but not unheard of of course). I don’t expect that you will see any serious issues. I expect any problems you face are due to less than standard requirements (such as changing the language from the version you bought).

  13. danno says:

    #3 – Star Office is free with the Google Pack.

  14. TIHZ_HO says:

    #11 mperkel Well I did say “for a little more” 🙂

    Amazon has Office 2007 Home or Student for $119, new and used from $104 – No Outlook next day delivery…

    http://tinyurl.com/2dx9bo

    http://tinyurl.com/2g9bxl

    A little more searching one can get good deals if you need a version of Office with Outlook.

    For me, if she needs to input Japanese (if its like Chinese) and is doing anything work related I would not muck around with anything that is NOT MS Office just to be able to say I minimized Microsoft or saved a few bucks. Time is also money and how much is actually saved?

    Cheers

  15. Ah_Yea says:

    I also would very much like to see how this goes. This sounds like a killer deal for $700. I also have had some limited experience with Chinese (and therefore Japanese as well) characters in Word. For the most part it works seamlessly. I often mix both English and Chinese in the same document without a problem except for an odd occasional formatting problem. Nothing I cannot work around.

    I use English XP. I have not had any problems with having the Chinese Character set installed and using mixed language files. I suspect you won’t have any problems either, since Office is compatible with both OS’s.

    Can’t say anything about StarOffice. I would recommend Word if you can get it at a good price since it just works.

  16. mperkel says:

    She had Japanese as a second language on her XP machine and she was quite comfortable with it. So if XP can do it then Vista should as well. She needs to email her mother in Japanese.

  17. Mike says:

    Its better not to install stuff while other stuff is installing. Or are you still downloading?

  18. Ah_Yea says:

    I personally use Firefox and Thunderbird, so I would go without Outlook and save a few bucks.

    Do get Excel! If you ever need to do charts or graphs and need Japanese characters, they also work perfectly well in Excel, and you can copy and paste both English and Japanese directly to and from Word and Excel without even loosing formatting!

    I have also sent and received email in Chinese using Thunderbird without a problem.

  19. dechah says:

    Why are you so keen to install Firefox? IE7 performs better on Vista than Firefox due to its integration, and you get the added security of having it run in “protected mode”. IE7Pro is a killer add-on that extends its capabilities. http://www.ie7pro.com

  20. TIHZ_HO says:

    #16 mperkel “Japanese as a second language on her XP machine and she was quite comfortable with it. So if XP can do it then Vista should as well.”

    Yes of course. I would guess she was using Office XP on her old laptop and Outlook Express for emails.

    The only concern I have with OS dual language input is the functionality some software has with it. My wife’s PC has Chinese language input (WinXP) which does not always work in all programs. She’s just sending emails to her Mom so it doesn’t matter so much.

    Ah_yea Thats absolutely correct!

    Anyway you will see what you will see. 🙂

    Cheers

  21. TIHZ_HO says:

    #20 ME

    I meant: Not my wife sending emails to her Mom, I meant your Japanese friend is sending emails to her Mom! 🙂

    Cheers

  22. gregallen says:

    I have one computer running Vista and, I have to say, it hasn’t given me too much problem. My employee uses it day-to-day, not me, but I set it up.

    My main impression would be “why Vista?” For my use, it did absolutely nothing more than XP and it demanded better hardware.

  23. Les says:

    #4 No, this was from 3 months of “use.” I experienced more of a processor load or activity, most of my programs (including MS Flight Sim, the most recent) had trouble running in vista, and any programs that needed to run in dos mode was deleted. I lost more than I would have gained with Vista. I am also making the transition to a Mac laptop, although it is old, a Powerbook G4. All it needs is to be flattened out.

  24. mperkel says:

    Why Vista, one reason. Because it came with it. I have to admit that I like the new eye candy.

  25. Max says:

    Suggest you google search for free*advanced windows care personal* download and use it. Soon see how many files are not protected?

    http://www.iobit.com/advancedwindowscareper.html

  26. TIHZ_HO says:

    BRAVO!!

    Cheers

  27. JPV says:

    You can get rid of the shortcut arrows if you want.

  28. TIHZ_HO says:

    #23 Les – In your case perhaps however this is not shared by all.

    I dual boot WinXP and Vista and if I have to do any graphic work with very large files (100 up to 500mb)I use Vista.

    Why I don’t just use Vista and be done with it? Most of my software is installed on the WinXP platform and it is a pain in the arse to re-activate everything and explain that this is the same instance not a second machine. I stopped using Norton just for that reason.

    In using Vista one needs a video card with some grunt to it and RAM. After that the difference can be seen.

    Cheers

  29. TIHZ_HO says:

    “I assume it went out and registered with MS or something but I’m giving it a thumbs up and I’m going to say that it was the smoothest install of any OS I have ever done in my life.”

    OEM Windows specific to that machine does not need to be activated as it is licensed to that machine and can only be used on that machine. Thats the beauty of that! 🙂

    I have been looking for a really easy to use system restore utility that can image the HDD (to a hidden partition) after a fresh Windows install and all the software installed and activated so if something goes wrong you can go right back to that point. I know Norton Ghost does this but one must be a brainiac to do get it done.

    Cheers

  30. comhcinc says:

    a friend of mine got vista(ultimate) a month after it can out and had a horrible time with it. after two months he went back to XP
    a couple of weeks back i got a new laptop with vista home premiun on it and i had yet to have a problem.
    vista isn’t worth the price they are asking but it is nicer than xp.
    now i’m still not sure vista is going to last. it’s had a lot of bad press and i hear people bitching about it who has never used it.
    so who knows?


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