OK – I just helped a friend buy a new laptop computer. Her previous computer, a 6 year old Windows XP laptop was stolen. We considered going Mac but she isn’t rich and we found the above computer on sale at Fry’s. After checking with friends I’m told that Vista has graduated from terrible to at least not terrible. We are about to start the process of turning it on for the first time and going through the install. So this is going to be a live install and as we go through the steps I’m going to report live the good, the bad, and the ugly.
First, the specs. The above computer is a Fujitsu Lifebook A3130. Features are as follows:
- AMD Turion 64 bit X2 processor
- 2 gigs of ram – (Vista likes lots of ram)
- 160 GB drive
- 15.4 inch 1280×800 screen
- DVD Dual Layer – R/W burner, 5 USB ports, Firewire,2 PCM/CIA, memory stick reader, etc.
- Only cost $700
Amazing how much power you get for just $700. Wow!
The user is a Japanese lady named Junko. She is a normal consumer-level user who will need both English and Japanese installed. The goal is to get it up and running, download various upgrades, delete all the unnecessary garbage and install Firefox, Thunderbird, Star Office and whatever else we need to get her basically going; not doing anything fancy and hoping for “just works”.
So this article is going to grow as we go through the process. Whatever happens I’m going to write about it as it occurs. Feel free to add comments.
Unboxed the computer. It appears to actually be new rather than a return. When you shop at Frys you never know what you’ll get. They are bad for trying to sell you used and possibly defective merchandise as new, so you have to watch out. I have it plugged in and lights on the front make me think that the batteries are charging.
Turned it on. Came up in text mode at first and it appears to be installing. I’m guessing it has some kind of install partition. Gui screen up but in a “Please Wait” mode. Looks very busy. It appears to have just run an installer and is now actually booting Vista for the first time.
We are now picking the picture, user name and password. She chose the goldfish. Also got to choose the desktop picture. The eye candy has improved a lot during install. Good progress indicator bars. I hate it when computers sit there for minutes and you don’t know if it’s thinking or crashed.
I notice that the desktop icons still have that damn arrow in the lower right hand corner. I was hoping they would have gotten rid of that by now. We have gone through the second reboot. I think it’s telling us that, unless we register, some things are going to be in cripple mode. (Obviously they didn’t word it that way but I know what it means.)
I went to Windows Update first, you always do that with Windows and we’re downloading 44 updates. About 112 megs or so. So far so good. Everything has worked to this point. Still waiting on the initial updates to download and complete.
Installing updates ….. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzz
In the meantime, I installed Firefox and Thunderbird. If there are any other must haves leave it in the comments and put a link to where we can download it.
OK – rebooting after installing 44 updates. ZZZzzzzZZZZzzz
Took 10 minutes to process the 44 updates after boot but finally ready to log in.
Went to the menu, selected Japanese and she is now typing Japanese emailing her mother.
OK – so at this point I have to say, it just works. Not a single thing went wrong. Nothing looked stupid. The initial upgrade took a little longer than I expected but that’s no big deal. It didn’t do any nagging on registration. I assume it went out and registered with MS or something but I’m giving it a thumbs up and I’m going to say that it was the smoothest install of any OS I have ever done in my life.
Granted that I haven’t tried to do anything tricky yet and haven’t read any instructions at all, so I can’t say it’s fully tested. But for the task that I set out here, Vista gets 100% and not only did everything just work, but the presentation during the install was excellent. So on top of the 100%, I’m giving extra points for style. I’ve never turned on a virgin Mac, but the Mac would have to be very impressive to match this.
It worked better than I expected. But my expectations were low based on what people were saying. One thing about Microsoft is that even if they introduce something that’s broken, they do eventually fix it.
For those of you running a Linux desktop and wondering why people pay big bucks for Windows when they can get Linux for nothing, this is why. When you turn it on and everything just works, that’s worth paying for.
If the average person tried to do the same thing with ANY distro it would cost them more money to hire a geek than Windows cost. And even then I doubt everything would work. Linux is lucky to get the screen right and you can probably forget about using the wireless lan. And you’re not going to just browse to YouTube and watch a video.
Maybe later I should install a dual boot with Linux. Someone tell me which distro to put up against Vista. Do we have a challenger? I’d love to call Linux the winner. In fact I’m biased in favor of Linux. So – who has a Linux distro to go up against Vista?
I also have to say that this is one fine laptop. It has that, “I really like this laptop” feel. Sort of the way you feel if you own a Honda. Thumbs up on Fujitsu Lifebooks.
My conclusion is that I’m no longer afraid of Vista.
I just bought a Dell XPS M1530 running at 2.2 MHz and with 3 gigabytes of RAM.
Start Menu items show a delay after clicking on start item menus. I see the little round doughnut for 2 to 6 seconds before the “subdirectory” opens up.
This has occurred even with no software loaded. It behaves like my XP systems after 3 to 4 years of use.
My girlfriend bought a laptop she wanted the HP because it was sleek looking and had a built in cam.Vista surprised me it works good so far..she bought it about 6 months ago.I’m a XP only user because I’m a gamer and don’t want the bloated Vista slowing down my games just to add a slight improvement in graphics that I would need to pause the game and get a magnifying glass out to see.Anyways her HP died and was sent back 4 times now this time I called and demanded a new one so we will see if they send a new or rebuilt.Vista I like and may someday upgrade to it when the video cards and memory factors don’t matter anymore it seems like a well made OS.Be warned though HP seems to have gone down hill so I would never consider them and yes the tech support was in India until I got mad the last time and they routed me to a guy in Canada who was very helpful.Sorry for ranting a little, Vista I liked to my surprise Hp I don’t
I forgot to ask why in the world did you need to install vista? Shouldn’t you just turn on a new laptop and its installed and ready to go? That seemed odd to me.Maybe its a Frys thing I don’t know I always use newegg for computer parts or local stores super sales for laptops.
#61 – #58 OFTLO
“set GUI to Win2K mode”
Can ya’ help a newbie out? how’d you do that?
Not from memory because Vista is just different enough from XP that I have to “do it” to explain it. When I get home later, I’ll jot the steps down here. But it’s pretty simple. Part of it is in the properties for the Start Bar, accessed by right clicking. The other part is, I think, in the desktop settings where you can enable or disable Aero.
#68 OFTLO
Thanks, I think I figured it out, it doesn’t actually say win2K, but windows classic. I thought I was missing something 🙂
#69 – Cool…
Yeah, that’s exactly right.
Why the hell would you actually want to use classic? If you have a good video card you’re a fool not to use aero.
Let me guess. You’re one of the stupid anti-MS jerks who turns off aero then complains that Vista ‘looks just like XP/2K’.
#71 – Why the hell would you actually want to use classic?
I like it better and the machine runs faster under classic. Eye candy does not improve productivity.
If you don’t like that answer, how about this one… I’m not you and I’ll my machine however I like.
If you have a good video card you’re a fool not to use aero.
Well, we are talking about a laptop, but I run XP on my desktops which run an 8800 GTS and an 8600GT respectively. Is that good enough for you?
The Laptop has a Radeon Mobile of some sort, but as it isn’t a gaming machine… who cares?
Let me guess.
Okay. I will.
You’re one of the stupid anti-MS jerks who turns off aero then complains that Vista ‘looks just like XP/2K’.
Oh… I see you are bad at guessing. I’m actually a big fan of Microsoft in general. And why would I complain about having a clean, smooth, and invisible OS.
Linus was right. The OS should be invisible. Windows isn’t an experience. It’s an environment that I run other applications in.
Now let me guess.
You are one of those all around jerks who makes snap judgments about people you know nothing about?
#71
“You’re one of the stupid anti-MS jerks who turns off aero then complains that Vista ‘looks just like XP/2K’”
Man! where did that come from? I don’t care about Aero, the nice gentleman OFTLO was passing a hint to me about how to get a performance boost in Vista. Thank you OFTLO, works quite nicely. As for you Zybitch, have a nice day.
#73 – Hang around here and you’ll learn that I am not universally regarded as a gentleman 🙂
Though I think me detractors are unfairly maligning me…
#74
“I am not universally regarded as a gentleman”
Sorry, that was probably a little harsh, I take it back! 😉
I have Vista Home Premium on a Toshiba laptop, purchased in November 2007. I’ve only had one blue screen, and that was during the original Windows installation. Toshiba had me redo the install from the supplied build DVDs, and no problems. I had to install a lot of updates, but those went smoothly.
I was having a problem with my Internet connection freezing occasionally (4 times or so in 3 months). An update from Intel (who apparently did the circuitry and drivers for the Ethernet and wireless hardware) was pushed to my laptop, and fixed the freezes. I recently got four more updates from MS, and those changes (security issues apparently) haven’t been a problem.
I’m an anti-Aero transparency person. I think the transparent windows just make them harder to read and slows down the PC a bit, so transparency is turned off and I don’t miss it.
The other annoyances are:
I’ve had to deal with Windows configuration features being moved to places I’m not expecting them.
Vista likes to rearrange the Start menu icons just to “help” me. There’s probably a way to turn off that feature too, but I haven’t found it yet.
#76
“Vista likes to rearrange the Start menu icons just to “help” me. There’s probably a way to turn off that feature too, but I haven’t found it yet.”
Under start menu properties, click customize then sroll down and uncheck “use personalized menus” – should stop that nuisance.
How did I know this was going to turn into another anti-Linux rant? Guess what… My parents have been running Linux for the better part of a year without a hitch and they’re not exactly tech-savvy, if you know what I mean. I installed Ubuntu 7.10 on my new laptop out of the box a few weeks ago and the whole thing worked like a charm. Plus I don’t have to worry about my computer being overtaken by a host of ad-ware, worms, and other viruses. On top of that, it cost nothing! Now please explain why I should pay over a hundred dollars for the latest iteration in the line of Microsoft’s blue screen generating software?
In your comparison of Vista and Linux ease of installs, it seems you are committing a common logical fallacy: false analogy (comparing apples to oranges).
To be fair, compare the setup with a lappy that comes with Linux pre-installed, such as an Ubuntu Dell, Asus EEE PC, or Everex Cloudbook, or wipe the drive of your laptop and install a vanilla dvd of Vista (though your machine was designed for Vista, so that should be an advantage.)
It’s not anti-Linux. I’m actually trying to inspire the Linux community to make their shit work. I’m tired of installing Linux on laptops and the wireless doesn’t work, Java doesn’t work. Flash doesn’t work, sound doesn’t work. The monitor doesn’t work. If Linux made things work I wouldn’t be saying this.
I am here today to vouch that Mr. OFTLO is NOT universally regarded as a gentleman. In fact, there are even those who don’t have any regard for Mr. OFTLO at all.
Sounds like the new laptop is working out OK. Any complaints yet?
#80 mperkel
Unfortunately computers and the OS is to some a religion in which they are all to faithful.
Cheers
In the business world all apps are going to the browser. The OS and browser need to be efficient and bulletproof. For that we have found linux and firefox the best. In a few years everyone will realize how archaic this conversation was. We tried IE 7.0 and it failed the useability test. Opera and Safari work well also. Loading up office and vista and all of these client apps is so old school.
Grump, grump! Guess I’m gonna have to buy me a copy of XP Pro while you can still get it, and upgrade from Win2K. Other than the Teletubbie looking GUI, XP IS Win2K underneath. Maybe in a year or two I’ll build a new box that’ll run Vista smoothly. And maybe I’ll be running XP on it.
You kids, get off my lawn! Mumble, mumble.