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His comments, in a lecture on civil and religious law given at the Royal Courts of Justice, were swiftly rebutted by the prime minister’s spokesman, who insisted British law would be based on British values and that sharia law would be no justification for acting against national law.
The archbishop’s political correctness hardly deserves a civil response.
Individuals have to resolve differences between their belief systems and national law all the time – no matter where they live. Trying to reverse that relationship is absurd – though no surprise among theocrats.
Malaysian Model maybe?
That’s gone full circle – UK >>> Malaysia >>> UK
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Archbishop Williams ARE YOU ON DRUGS?
No, he is British.
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Are you sure he isn’t French? What a surrender monkey.
Hmm, but separate Orthodox Jewish courts exist in the UK already, how is this different? (Better lobbyists?)
Great photo! I’ve been looking everywhere for one of those costumes for Halloween. I bet the Archbishop gets a lot of cool candy.
#4 Improbus – Even more reason! 😆
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Why is it that anybody dressed up as a conehead gets a following?
It is one of those unsolved mysteries of the human kind. Yet, if you dress up as a conehead at a bar, you get a funny look? Wierd.
Well, it does sort of go along with his stand on gays which has certainly helped split the Episcopal church in America.
Plus, shariah varies according to the interpretation of the Quran.
In some places, there are those who interpret (and act on) it as requiring death for homosexuals, adulters, and infidels.
The latter would certainly include the Archbishop himself … thus offering what one might consider a logical conclusion to the step he is advocating.
Completely vague and ambiguous and contradictory what this confused fellow in a dress is saying. Why don’t the British authorities extend to him common human decency and get him the food, shelter, and medical care he so obviously needs?
It’s interesting that this man, in the name of religious tolerance, is advocating religious extremism.
#5 – Griffy,
Really??!!? That isn’t different. It’s fucking pathetic. And, pathetic is not enjoying it.
It’s time to get rid of n,000 year old laws that do not meet today’s moral zeitgeist, not go back to them. Yecch!!
What do we do with witches?
That’s it! I want a separate Atheist court too!
In the back of my mind is Lou Reed singing “Take a Walk on the Wild Side”.
Where all the cone heads go
Doot de doo
Doot de doo …
What a load of hogwash. How does it make sense to have 2 parallel legal systems, one for Muslims, and one for everyone else?
No sooner than its adoption, we’d see people adopting the “born again Muslim” defense.
“Yes, I killed my wife by stoning her to death. But I’m a newly converted Muslim and its allowed under Sharia. It was an honor killing. We were watching Faulty Towers, and she was so enamored of John Cleese I thought she wanted to sleep with him…”
“I cannot stand trial for the serial killing of 200 women. They refused to wear the Hijab! They were prostitutes! They wore miniskirts and painted their faces. They deserved it…”
Please!
I personally have no problems with Muslims; or Budhists, Animists, Taoists, Athiests, or any other religion (pun intended). but to claim that their religious believes require them to ignore the laws of the host nation in lieu of their own is unacceptable.
They come to Western countries from places like Saudi Arabia to “escape persecution” and then expect the host country to behave, well, like Saudi Arabia. you want to be a Wahabbi, fine. Go back to Saudi Arabia and be with your brethren.
I say those that want Sharia law should go back home where it IS the law of the land, and the Archbisop should have his public speaking license revoked.
Griffy and Misanthropic Scott,
Just to clarify the point, in the case of the separate Jewish Court (Beth Din) it is only for civil cases, NOT criminal cases, not that I agree with having separate courts.
This fool is talking about all-encompassing Sharia Law.
#13 – Cinaedh,
She turned me into a newt!!
(burn her! burn her!)
Besides, she does weigh less than a duck.
#18 Misanthropic Scott
“(burn her! burn her!)”
I just love it when religions mellow out.
We used to shoot or hang traitors….
#17 – ethanol,
Thanks. That does make it a little better. Kind of like submitting to binding arbitration. If you choose a rabbi for your arbiter and both sides agree, that’s fine.
If it were for criminal court, I would not be fine with that at all.
#16 – Eric,
You bring up some excellent points, especially regarding conversion. Let’s see though. I think the person would have to already be Muslim at the time of the crime. So, one who is not happy with one’s wife could convert, then kill her.
Yup. Interesting loophole being created there.
Besides, the whole thing is so horrific it is really surprising that anyone wants this in this day and age. The Old Testament has laws just as or nearly as horrific as Sharia Law. The difference is that no one (AFAIK) is advocating bringing back such laws.
If they did, we’d have stupid shit like this:
Woman: I was raped by him. (pointing)
Judge: Was this inside city limits?
Woman: Of course not. Had it been inside, when I screamed, people would have run to my aid!!
Judge: OK then. Turns to rapist. You are found guilty. Tomorrow the two of you will be married and you will pay the full brideprice of a virgin to her family. Next case.
In short, all laws written n,000 years ago are likely to seem quite ridiculous today. Can’t we move on already?
Here is something which relates to all this interpretation shit that every religion goes on and on about.
In China a contract between parties can be translated from Official Standard Chinese to any language or even other Chinese dialects. However, if there is a dispute between the parties, only the Official Standard Chinese version is legal in court – period.
Uh-Oh…
Now what do we always hear from the bible thumpers, especially those TV Christian Evangelicals? All we get are their interpretation of the scriptures! Hold on! God entered into a contract with us – an agreement that if we live how he told us to do, as spelled out in his divine contract, then we have happy happy for all time. The only version that is legal is in one written in the original language!
Oh Shit!!
There is can be no room for splitting hairs on word meanings with the English translation, that came from the Latin, that came from the Greek, that came from the…god only knows how many Aramaic and Jewish dialects versions.
Uh-Oh is right…we are all screwed!
We really don’t have a fricken clue what god wants us to do! Therefore a safe bet would be from the gist of all the things having to do with god is be nice to everyone and everything.
Hell, you don’t want to float upstairs to some guy in a beard who looks at you and shakes his head saying – You didn’t read the fine print…just be nice to everyone and everything…bye bye! 😉
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# 17 ethanol – Same as Malaysia…its not so bad unless you are a Muslim and don’t want to be anymore. Its a one way street – so be careful going down that road.
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#13 Cinaedh
BURN THEM!!
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Although the Archbishop’s ideas are only half baked, I do see that at least he is offering the fig leaf to help address real Muslim concerns in England.
This isn’t a bad thing.
Obviously this would only work in civil cases under binding arbitration. Since it would be under binding arbitration, as long as the participants agree it could be under the laws of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Who cares?
So the issue of Sharia Law in this case is a non-issue.
HERE IS THE REAL ISSUE.
How many Muslim religious leaders in Muslim countries would even begin to suggest the same thing? The Archbishop can say this because he has the freedom to do so, in any Muslim country I can think of, his counterpart would be a target for a suicide bomber.
Unfortunately, some of the effects of Sharia Law are already showing up in the USA.
* Here in Minneapolis, the Muslim taxi drivers refuse to pick-up any returning airline passenger who is carrying duty-free wine.
* The local Target Superstores have Muslim cashiers who refuse to bar-code pepperoni pizzas, bacon or sausage.
* The Dept of Motor Vehicles is in an fight with Muslims who insist on wearing their burqua for their driver’s license photo
* Minnesota schools installing foot washers to allow Muslims to pray (what happened to separation of church and state?)
* Public state colleges building meditation rooms that are restricted to Muslims only
* The Imans who tried to sue Minnesotan airline passengers who warned the authorities about their strange behavior
Improbus, have you ever been outside the U.S.?
Israelis, as an example, suffer bombings on a regular basis, but they go on living their lives while we cower like pussies, electing incompetent leaders and allowing them to spy on us and take away fundamental rights because we’re afraid we might be attacked again. We’re the ones who’ve surrendered, asswipe.
#8 et. al., I have one of those costumes for events like the partners meeting at the firm when I want things to go my way. Seems to inspire awe and confusion. Other events are: court appearances, job interviews, and Laker’s Basketball games.
The British like many western nations are in danger of losing their culture. To stand by and watch it happen is bad enough, but to actually encourage it is a disgrace.
#27:
“* The Dept of Motor Vehicles is in an fight with Muslims who insist on wearing their burqua for their driver’s license photo”
– doesn’t Sharia Law forbid women from driving? So they don’t need a driver’s license. Problem solved.