Whole lotta science-speak going on here that sounds plausible in this Russian perspective on the issue. Just like it does coming from those who use it to prove global warming. One of them is full of crap. Guess to be safe I should buy lots of long underwear for tooling around in my air conditioned Prius.
A cold spell soon to replace global warming
Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reason—solar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.
RIGHT….so, as soon as we stop the unprecedented (in modern times) melting of glaciers and ice caps….and the exact opposite starts happening, and we have glaciers expanding and encroaching on humans, then we can worry about global cooling. But right now there no evidence for that. It’s not happening. We’re getting warmer (for whatever reason). The ice caps are retreating. Ice shelfs that are over two thousand years old (meaning they HAVEN’T melted in that time, we never got this warm in two thousand years) are breaking off in the antarctic.
When all of this slows down, stops and then the reverse happens, and the arctic starts BUILDING huge new ice shelves, I’ll listen to the ‘Republican’ oil company scientists on the “other side”(tm) of this argument.
Catshit, Gore could have a secure place to live and operate his businesses without buying into a palace larger than that of most third world dictators’. If you want to use this as an excuse for Gore, try citing the size of the homes of prior Presidents and VPs for comparison.
Cleaning up the environment is a good thing and the US certainly can clean up some more, but before anyone starts claiming that the US is the only bad polluter, take a look at pollution produced by industries in other countries. Per capita pollution is less in those countries, but the overall production is much less. (Kyoto would have increased the production shift to 3rd world countries where pollution controls are much easier to evade. Kyoto would have increased global pollution.)
Scott, any climate change is going to produce war, especially when the two groups have long standing grudges. The white moslems (the ones who used to be slave traders) have been moving into land presently occupied by Negro moslems (the people the white moslems used to raid for slaves) for some time now. Pardon me if I don’t regard climate as being all that important to the situation.
I think fussing over global warming is idiotic, anyhow. The worst we can see on the warm side is a bit of rearranging of the global power structure, with the US probably losing much power (depending on whether the rulers of other countries start using their brains instead of their greed). Oh, yeah. Cropland will become useless, and useless land will become cropland. Most of the useless land that will become cropland is in National Parks, etc. My heart bleeds.
A few have speculated that humans causing global warming MIGHT set off global cooling. “Might” also means “probably not” and “we have no reason to believe it will”. I regard such claims as trying to have it both ways; the weather is going to change, they “win” if it gets warmer, they “win” if it gets colder.
The glaciers are going to be back sooner or later anyhow. Interglacials, like we have been in for the last 10 to 15,000 years only last 10 – 15,000 years. The glaciers will be back sometime anyhow, and probably pretty soon.
What’s going to happen? The present global population is somewhere around 6 Billion. If the global temperature drops to a typical minimum (say, what it was just 20,000 years ago), and it would have to in order to overcome the “keep it warm” feedback we have going now, the planet would be able to support about 6 Million.
6 Billion trying to survive on food enough for 6 Million.
I’d say global warming is no big deal, and nothing to get excited about.
#31 – will reducing CO2 cause the average American have less private property / money? If it can’t be done that way, it’s not worth doing.
#34 – I do think his heart is in the right place, he just isn’t/wasn’t competent.
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My Grandfather was a meterologist all his life since his teenage days. He was in the meterology department in the Army, and worked in the ice caps writing weather reports for bombing raids flying over the greenland. He was talking about global cooling way before anyone else. He basicaly said that with great heat would come great cold.
#37, yeah. About 14 and 15, judging by the legs and wrists. Makes me wish I was (mumble) years younger. (“If I knew then what I know now…”)
If we’re the cause of global warming, why did the poles on Mars start melting at the same time as Earth’s?
#33 – Phillep,
Scott, any climate change is going to produce war, especially when the two groups have long standing grudges. The white moslems (the ones who used to be slave traders) have been moving into land presently occupied by Negro moslems (the people the white moslems used to raid for slaves) for some time now. Pardon me if I don’t regard climate as being all that important to the situation.
I guess the billion climate refugees are not a big concern to you. Glad to hear it. May they all come knocking on your door when they have no place to go.
#36 – iGlobalFucker,
will reducing CO2 cause the average American have less private property / money? If it can’t be done that way, it’s not worth doing.
Less than what? I think if we have renewable energy and clean air, we will have more, not less. But, if it’s a question of living or dying, what difference does this make? Do you believe the world economy can sustain a billion climate refugees without global civilizational collapse?
#42 – bcook,
The Milankovich cycles are indeed still around. We are in a warm point in the Milankovich cycles. Unfortunately, that only accounts for 5-15% of the warming on this planet. We’re still responsible for the other 85+%. So, when we go into the cooling period in the Milankovich cycles, 5-15% of the warming we are seeing today will be reduced. It will not overcome the other 85-95%. See my comment above regarding the temperatures of Earth and Venus.
#42 – It’s just that bad. We are causing the poles on Mars to melt because of those high powered telescopes pointing at the planet for all these centuries. Not to mention those toxin spewing probes we’ve been sending over the years.
So if the ice caps melt and the majority of the liberals in this country live on the east and west coast, why EXACTLY would I want to stop “Man-Made” Global Warming? 🙂
Peer Reviews are nice when they are objective. There are over 19,000 scientists who are in fields that can confirm / deny whether man-made global warming exists or has any sort of real impact. Yet their opinions are largely ignored by those who do “peer reviews”.
Global Warming Petition Project: http://tinyurl.com/2p95fp
Great Global Warming Swindle: http://tinyurl.com/2sumlq (start at 3m 55s to 6m 41s which briefly mentions the “peer-reviewed” IPCC if you don’t have time to watch the entire video). There’s also some stuff about how things get cherry-picked further on in the video to portray “undisputable” truth. Very much worth the read to see the other side.
#43, Scott, “wars such as Darfur”. The genocide there, being perpetrated by white moslems, has been going on for years, which you certainly should know if you actually have been doing field work in Africa. It’s been driven by population increase as well as desertification (which has been going on for longer than “global warming” has).
The Billion refugees global warming may create can move to Siberia and Canada, which will become good crop land with global warming.
We’ll send the 5,994,000,000 refugees a glaciation will create to your door, okay?
#25
No. The worst thing is that billions if not trillions of tax dollars would be wasted on a host of things besides cleaner air when they could have been spent on any number of more useful projects or simply not taken from the public.
#30
The order should go (from worst to best)
1. Nixon (tie)
2. Carter (double-digit inflation anyone? gas lines?)
3. Clinton(tie)
3. GHW Bush(tie)
3. GW Bush (tie)
4. Reagan (“Destroyed” the middle class? So what does that make us? Please. I suppose a liberal would say that so they can claim they are only taxing the “rich” which includes almost everyone).
#47
RE: Nixon v Gore
Nixon, nor Bush Sr., nor Bush Jr, nor Eisenhower, nor Reagan, nor Clinton, nor Cheney spouted off about how we all have to reduce our carbon footprint while moving into a carbon-unfriendly mansion and swindling people with “carbon offsets.” He looks like a hypocrite.
I DUNNO ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, BUT THAT PHOTO MIGHT GIVE SOME PEOPLE A LITTLE REGIONAL WARMING IF YOU KNOW WHATTA MEAN.
Well, Catshit, that’s relevant, and makes a lot more sense than just claiming he needs it for security. That “he inherited it” is a far better rebutal than any I’ve seen yet; most rebuttals are lame excuses.
And the comparisons are pretty good to know as well.
(some of those imbeds did not take)
To Political Junkie. You spend WAY too much time listning to Rush Limbaugh. Believe it or not, he’s not always right. Many would say he’s rearely right.
Regarding Jimmy Carter, if you think he’s somehow to blame for the economy when he was president then you must have been in diapers at the time…if that. The economy went to hell in the mid 70’s because of the oil shock…simple as that. There were contributing factors but the inflation caused by oil price increases screwed everything up. Carter certainly wasn’t to blame for the “misery” index.
Regarding the heads in the sand people denying global warming…I’m sure you’re the same people who thought George W was going to be a great president and that going into Iraq was just a peachy idea. History will unfortunately prove you wrong.
#50, Phillep,
Thank you for letting me know about those links. It’s back to the drawing board.
Actually, by the 17th century the use of firewood had destroyed most of the trees in the British Isles and most of Europe, which certainly added to the CO2 in the atmosphere. Methane, an even more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, was generated in large quantities by livestock and rice agriculture in Asia. Things certainly started warming up well before the Industrial Revolution.
#54, Patso,
Great strawman arguments there.
In 1750 the WORLD’S estimated total population was about 791 million. Today, it is roughly 6.6 billion. 250 years ago people were much hardier. Energy used per person was a small fraction of what it is today. When I gassed up my car today, I put in as much energy as would a family use over several winter months 250 years ago. That gas will last me two weeks.
Methane has been produced by animals, including humans, since they crawled out of the primordial sea. Using it as a fertilizer, worked into the soil, releases less methane into the atmosphere than does allowing it to rot in the fields or woods.
Those scientists who claim the sun is responsible for global warming and cooling have some pretty impressive data to back up their claims.
I’m still waiting for the CO2 crowd to present theirs. (Isn’t it a bit odd how none of their peer-reviewed papers actually include data?)
Global Warming? Global Cooling?
First there were lawyers, then came economists, now we have climatologists.
Thirty plus years ago it was global cooling – the new ice age is coming and we caused it with CO2 and how we have to reduce it.
Today its global warming and we caused it with CO2 and how we have to reduce it.
I think we need reduce what we believe in.
Cheers
#51 – Mark Ashton
I’m not sure what Rush Limbaugh has to do with this other than maybe you secretly listen to him. What would your lib buddies think?
You blame Bush for the war, give Clinton credit for a good economy, then give Jimmy Carter a pass on his pathetic job as president.
He was famous for his indecisions and poor leadership which generated the many problems of that time. No amount of spin will change that.
#59, PJ,
He was famous for his indecisions and poor leadership which generated the many problems of that time. No amount of spin will change that.
Carter led by example. When Three Mile Island happened, he went there, inside the plant and didn’t mispronounce “nuclear”.
He invited two warring parties to Camp David in an effort to broker a peace. It happened.
When the Nixon/Ford inspired oil embargo happened, Carter turned down the thermostat in the White house and wore a sweater. Not for show, but all winter.
When the Iranian hostage crises broke, he didn’t panic and declare war, which surely would have seen the hostages all killed. He showed patience and they were all released later. When a rescue mission failed, HE took personal responsibility.
Geeze, did Reagan, Bush I or Bush II ever measure up to that level of leadership? No spin or exaggerations please.
#61, pedro,
It appears you have attended the Republican School of Political Manipulations. Sheet, maybe you even had Herr Rove as your instructor.
It was Reagan’s boys, notably Rumsfeld and Cheney, that curried Iraq’s favor against Iran. They even supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons and encouraged him to declare war on Iran. Cripes, they even gave Saddam intelligence on Iranian troop movements.
Of course, you history revisionists would like to shift that dirty little bit of fact to someone who believed in peace and worked for it.
Secondly, what Carter did in 2000 in furtherance of democratic ideals has nothing to do with what he did during his Presidency. And he never helped rig any effen election for you beloved “kuzco”.
Moran.
A late response but who knows someone might read it…
#26 MS Due to the higher albedo of Venus, despite its shorter distance to the sun, less sunlight actually gets through to the surface of Venus than gets through to the surface of Earth. Venus absorbs just 25% of the sunlight that hits it; Earth absorbs 70% of its sunlight.
Venus has factors which create the high temperatures such as atmospheric pressure of 900 times of the Earth.
One can argue that CO2 will increase or decrease global temperatures equally – if one selectively leaves out other factors. MIT has released a study arguing that the CO2 global warming studies left out certain factors such as cloud cover and concluded that CO2 does not play a significant factor in global warming.
It is being argued that the rise of CO2 is a result of another process causing the warming and not the cause. ICE core CO2 samples can only give an extremely broad time line so it is not possible to determine whether the CO2 rise was caused by the warming trend or vice versa.
There will be some finger pointing in a few years when the warming trend reverses. 😉
The more we are focused on one subject the more we will fit the facts to satisfy our preconceived conclusion.
Many years ago in Australia there was a devastating Earthquake in Newcastle north of Sydney. Earthquakes causing any damage is exceedingly rare and unheard of. In the aftermath every global Earthquake and tremor made the news to the point where people were in fear that the Earth was breaking up! This then became headline news of the world breaking up.
In actual fact that year globally the Earth was rather quiet in this regard however because of the Newcastle Earthquake any minor Earthquakes and tremors that would never even get a mention cot front page.
All we hear now is global warming this and ice melting that. Glaciers retreat and grow, temperatures rise and fall. One only needs to study geology to see that where only recently was once temperate forests is now frozen tundra (Siberia) – mammoths frozen…right?
Well who can argue with all the good headlines and a religious fever pitch that global warming gives us. 😉
Cheers