This blog has been accused of “stealing” by Mike Harding over at montaraventures.com, because a contributing editor “hotlinked” a picture on Harding’s site on this blog. The title of Harding’s piece is: Dvorak Steals Copyrighted Work. He further states that John had the “audacity to use my bandwidth in the commission of the theft.” Harding makes no argument in support of accusation of stealing and theft, so I’m sort of left in the dark.

I’m assuming he is under the impression that infringing copyright equals theft. That’s certainly what the copyright industry likes to call infringement. However, the argument that infringing and stealing are equivalent under the law is wrong. The United States Supreme Court said exactly that in Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985).

The Court determined that “the property rights of a copyright holder have a character distinct from the possessory interest of the owner of simple goods, wares, or merchandise, for the copyright holder’s dominion is subjected to precisely defined limits. It follows that interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud.”

And here is the Court’s money-shot: “The infringer (of copyright) invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use.”

So if Harding’s support for theft arises out of copyright, he is dead wrong.

Jordan Golson over at Valleywag.com chimed in too, but he does not accuse John of any theft. He does say that the image was used “without permission” and that the act of hotlinking constituted a “copyright violation.”

So with the issue of theft out of the way, let’s move to the issue of whether hotlinking constitutes infringement. Golson’s support for his argument is that “some lawyers say” it is. Well, as a lawyer myself, that doesn’t really mean much. Some lawyers I know say any number of things that aren’t true, as merely saying something in no way makes it true. This attempt at “argument” is called an appeal to authority. It’s universally considered an invalid argument for a very good reason; it’s nonsense.

Now I have no doubt that if I downloaded a copyrighted image from a server without permission and placed it on my server (or printed it out, or emailed it, etc…) it’s a copyright infringement. But that’s not what hotlinking is about. A hotlink is nothing more than a link to data on a different server.

In case Harding and Golson hadn’t noticed, the interwebitubes constitute a web. That means each page is linked to other pages, which are linked to other pages, which are linked to even more pages, which all together make up the web.

So let’s assume that instead of hotlinking, the contributing editor used a simple link directly to the picture. Can someone explain the difference? In both situations links were provided to the host’s server and readers of John’s blog could have the picture downloaded, stored in the browser’s cache, and made to appear on their monitor, without any prior permission from Harding. Sure the hotlinked picture would have been seen more, because the hotlinked picture is loaded automatically while some readers might chose not to click the link. But that is a matter of degree not of nature. Harding and Golson might argue that hotlinking makes it easer for the user to view the copyrighted material without prior permission. But once again, that is a matter of degree not of nature. Thus, hotlinking and direct linking are by nature the same thing.

So let’s look at an analogy. Let’s assume I live right next door to Tom Petty. He’s putting on an outdoors concert at his house and will be playing his copyrighted music. I have some people at my house so I give them directions to Tom’s house to hear the music. Is that infringement? I don’t possibly see how. Similarly, I don’t see how a direct link is infringement.

Now instead of giving directions on how to get next door, I simply open up my window to let those in my house hear it from Tom’s house. There is no copy of any material being made by me. There is only a direct line from Tom’s house to mine through which his copyrighted music flows. Is that infringement? There is no statute or caselaw forcing homeowners next to auditoriums to pay such copyright fees. Therefore, there simply is no such infringement. Similarly, I don’t see how hotlinking is infringement.

But wait, it gets better. In that hypothetical above the music actually flowed through my house to get to my guests’ ears. However, with hotlinking, the data never flows through the hotlinking server. It goes directly to my guests’ computers and the hotlinking server is never involved, other than to store the link. Which is the exact same thing that happens with direct links.

But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe, even though no copy is being made by the hotlinker and even though no data from the copyright holder is flowing through the hotlinker’s server, maybe it should be considered infringement anyway. In the US, when people feel bad about something, the first thing they want to do is file a lawsuit. So let’s assume that hotlinking does infringe copyright and Harding and Golson are free to file lawsuits from sea to shining sea. However, the problem, as I’ve already shown, is that there is no real difference between hotlinking and direct linking.

Accordingly, I hope bloggers such as Harding and Golson see the dark side of what they are supporting. What bloggers do is link to copyrighted materials found throughout the web, condense some of the materials down, and then comment on them. If that is infringement, the entire blogsphere is dead in the water. But it gets worse, because every single site that offers links to other sites, without prior permission, is also dead in the water. Goodbye Google.

If linking without prior permission is infringement then the web is dead. So we are faced with a choice: Do we kill the web, as the copyright industry would love to do, or do we create some sort of fair use for copyrighted materials on the web? Given the choice, I’m in full support of the latter. And I’m guessing, that given the choice, both Harding and Golson would strongly agree.

Here’s a possible solution: If a copyright holder intentionally places his or her copyrighted material on the web without any access restrictions, it’s fair game to link to it. If you make your material available to the public, you simply cannot complain when the public shows up to use the material.

There are plenty of sites that block direct linking to pictures. By blocking they are giving notice to the world that the copyright holder only wants the pictures viewed in a particular context. Harding and Golson apparently would want such blocking respected.

However, Harding and Golson should be worried of such a course. Because if copyright holders can block direct links to images, then they can block direct links to everything. Once there is precedent that some links without permission are illegal, then it only follows that all links without permission are illegal. The copyright industry would love that because, right now, the internet is out of their control. If it’s a tightly controlled internet Harding and Golson want, I hope they enjoy their blogging now while they can, because it certainly is going to make their blogging much more difficult in the future. This won’t kill the web, but it will certainly block off large portions of it.

Thus it is clear to me (and I hope it is clear to everyone else who uses the web on a regular basis) that the best solution to this alleged problem is to do nothing at all. Treat the internet as a web and let all materials on it be linked at will. If you have a problem with that, get off the web. No one is forcing you to be on it.

Some readers will point out that the contributing editor may have stolen bandwidth by linking to the picture. However, because Harding did not accuse him of theft in that regard, there really is no point in responding directly to it. I’ll just say that all of the arguments expressed above about theft and infringement of hotlinking could certainly be applied to so-called bandwidth theft. And further, if you don’t want people using your bandwidth, stop placing interesting materials on your webserver. Problem solved. (Wasn’t that what Geocities was all about? An entire server filled with materials no one wanted to see.)

Update: I noticed that Harding is now saying that “the issue is the appropriation of the image without attribution.” However, both hotlinks and direct links can appropriate an image without attribution. Here’s a hotlink without attribution:

And here is a direct link without attribution. Thus, Harding is back to destroying the very essence of the web.

And I should point out that, like footnotes, browsers have a built-in method for citing attribution. The url. If you want to know the site url for a picture, right click on it in Firefox and chose Copy Image Location. There, you have the cite and you know where the picture came from. Now wasn’t that a heck of a lot easier than following a footnote to the back of a book?

Last Update: Harding has posted a response to this here. Because the comments (were) closed, I wanted to give him a chance to have his opinions heard over at this blog.



  1. MikeN says:

    I’d say you’re at fault. He talks of theft, and all you have is legalese. The basic problem is the creativity of the picture. Putting it up on your site’hotlinking’ makes it look like you came up with the picture.

  2. Sean H says:

    And further, if you don’t want people using your bandwidth, stop placing interesting materials on your webserver.

    Is that a serious statement? How about this: I’ll stop stealing your TVs when you stop putting such nice TVs in your house.

  3. SN says:

    “I’d say you’re at fault…”

    I know reading is difficult, but the point of my article was not to find fault, but was to explore the legal issue of whether linking is either stealing or infringing. You may claim it is only “legalese,” but to someone who has studied the issue and has a brain, it might actually be interesting. Now go back to your reality TV shows. Thanks.

  4. SN says:

    “How about this: I’ll stop stealing your TVs “

    God, learn how to make an analogy. Placing something on a webserver which the public can fully access is not even remotely the same as locking a TV in your house.

    The basic message is this, if you want your stuff private, don’t make it public. Can your brain handle that concept?

  5. Sean H says:

    God, learn how to make an analogy. Placing something on a webserver which the public can fully access is not even remotely the same as locking a TV in your house.

    Okay. I’ll stop stealing your lawn ornaments when you stop placing them in a publicly accessible place.

    Just because something is easy to steal, that doesn’t give you the right to steal it.

    And I’m not talking about the copyright issue, I’m talking about you stealing people’s bandwidth. It’s an issue you decided to skirt, because there is no law for you to hide behind. The Internet community has collectively decided that it’s rude to hotlink people’s images.

    Big ol’ Dvorak blog needs to steal bandwidth from the little guys. That’s great.

  6. Sean H says:

    @#6 – That’s too funny. Nice find.

  7. Greg Allen says:

    I blame the do-nothing congress (and especially the obstructionist Republicans).

    Congress needs to be pro-active and progressive about copyrights and the web.

    These kind of issues shouldn’t have to be settled with law suits.

  8. SN says:

    “I’m talking about you stealing people’s bandwidth”

    So are you “stealing” John’s bandwidth by posting your comment or by reading his site? No, John made the forum and his site publicly available to everyone on the net. By accessing it you are not stealing, you are only accessing what is offered.

    If Harding does not want his pictures accessed by the public, he should take them off the web. It’s that simple.

    The only way we could “steal” his bandwidth is if we stole his server. I doubt if you’re accusing us of that.

  9. Sean H says:

    @#9 – Ah.. I got it now. You just discovered the Internet recently. Keep surfing around. You’ll figure it out.

    http://altlab.com/hotlinking.html

    And as for “stealing” John’s bandwidth: This blog, comments, forums, etc, are services John agreed to, and openly provides. The people you hotlink to have not agreed to foot your bandwidth bill.

    [ed note: regarding the link cited. Specifically who made this guy King to make these proclamations? What is his standing. Why do you follow it lockstep? Or is this just a petty complaint. Most people pay a flat fee for bandwidth. Others use free hosting services. Others can block (see Tripod) image linking. None of this is taken into account in this rather smug and pompus document.]

  10. SN says:

    “The people you hotlink to have not agreed to foot your bandwidth bill.”

    You obviously did not take the time to read my article. That’s sad. I know mashing your keyboard is more fun than reading a well thought out argument, but, sometimes life is tough.

    What agreement are you talking about? The picture at issue was not locked behind any paywall. It was not password protected in anyway. It was freely available to everyone on the net.

    The net. Get it, the web is a net. It is pages interconnected with links. You provided a link. Did you have permission to post that link? I clicked that link and used that server’s bandwidth. Did I steal the bandwidth or did you for linking to it?

    In the same way that you provided a link to something interesting, a contributing editor provided a link to something interesting. You didn’t steal bandwidth, and neither did the contributing editor. You provided links. That’s what the web is all about.

    And one last thing, I’m old. Very old. I was on the web before the web. Back when gopher servers ruled the world.

  11. Uncle Dave says:

    Sean H,

    1) Let me get this straight. If instead of posting a photo stored on your website, we put a link to the photo, you would be alright with that since the photo is not displayed on the blog? Assuming everyone who viewed it if it were posted on the blog clicked the link, your bandwidth usage would be identical. You’d be alright with that?

    2) Just what kind of crappy hosting plan do you have? I have one that costs $3.59 per month and gives me 250 gbyte of transfer. You’ve got to have one hell of a lot of views of a 20k file to use that up.

    3) And what’s the deal with what #6 found? You just shrug it off with “That’s too funny. Nice find.” ? He’s right. You’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing us of doing. We demand an answer, buddy!

  12. Sean H says:

    What agreement are you talking about? The picture at issue was not locked behind any paywall. It was not password protected in anyway. It was freely available to everyone on the net.

    I get it. If you don’t keep all your possessions behind lock & key, people have a right to steal them. That makes perfect sense.

  13. aram says:

    Hotlinking happens all the time. I have a photo site and decided to allow it, as people were doing it without asking but I decided not to let it get to me (Myspace and xanga seem to use a lot of my images).

    As some at my work have pointed out that I could at anytime change these images used as background at anytime. Also I think you can set apache to not allow hot linking as well (I think).

  14. Sean H says:

    1) Let me get this straight. If instead of posting a photo stored on your website, we put a link to the photo, you would be alright with that since the photo is not displayed on the blog? Assuming everyone who viewed it if it were posted on the blog clicked the link, your bandwidth usage would be identical.

    But I’d be getting a return on my investment. When you hotlink my images, you get my bandwidth, and I get nothing. When you link to my site, I still lose bandwidth, but I get what I payed for. Which is traffic to my site.

    2) Just what kind of crappy hosting plan do you have? I have one that costs $3.59 per month and gives me 250 gbyte of transfer. You’ve got to have one hell of a lot of views of a 20k file to use that up.

    So it’s ok to steal money from.. say a bank.. because they have _lots_ of money. Stealing is stealing. It doesn’t matter if the party you’re stealing from has plenty to spare.

    3) And what’s the deal with what #6 found? You just shrug it off with “That’s too funny. Nice find.” ? He’s right. You’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing us of doing. We demand an answer, buddy!

    First of all, I’m not the guy from that site. I don’t know how you got that impression. So I’m not doing anything to either of you. Second, I laugh because he’s wrong too, and I love seeing people get called on their hypocrisy.

  15. SN says:

    “I get it. If you don’t keep all your possessions behind lock & key, people have a right to steal them.”

    I’ve already said a webserver open to the public is not analogous to a house or real property. The sole reason anyone would place anything on an open server is so the public can access it. As I’ve said, you’re accessing this site. You might have even found this site via a link. But you are in no way stealing anything. (Unless you’re reading this from a computer you stole, but that’s a entirely different issue, altogether.)

    First, infringing copyright and linking are not stealing. Read my article. If you can show me how it’s wrong, explain it to me. I’d love to read it.

    Second, if linking is stealing, then you’ve stole plenty of times in your life. So stop being such a hypocrite and turn yourself into the police. Thanks!

  16. SN says:

    “I still lose bandwidth, but I get what I payed for. Which is traffic to my site.”

    Both links go to your site! They’re the same link to the same picture!

  17. Sean H says:

    #14 brings up a good point that you folks here at Dvorak should consider. I’ve replaced hotlinked images with horse porn in the past. That would go over real well on the Dvorak site.

  18. Sean H says:

    Both links go to your site! They’re the same link to the same picture!

    The images you hotlink aren’t clickable. You’re not doing me or anyone else a service.

    IF you make the hotlinked images clickable links to the original site.. That would be different.

  19. allan says:

    I agree with #10. You are stealing bandwidth. By simply extracting the image from his server without the context in which it was placed (regardless of whether your server was part of the transaction), you rob him of the right to place the image in it’s intended context, whether that be other images, accompanying text or even ads!

    His site gets the bandwidth bill but users never see his site. At the very least you should attribute the source and provide a link to the page containing the image.

  20. SN says:

    “I’ve replaced hotlinked images with horse porn in the past.”

    God, you have not been here very long, have you. One of my favorite pics I ever posted on this blog:

    I think horse porn would fit in nicely!

  21. SN says:

    “extracting the image from his server without the context in which it was placed (regardless of whether your server was part of the transaction”

    You’re contradicting yourself. How am I “extracting an image” if my server was not a part of the transaction?! The browser is extracting the image from the host server, copying it to the users’ hard dive, storing it in cache, and then displaying it on a screen. Whether it’s a direct link or a hotlink, the same thing is happening. (If you guys would read the article, I would not have to read it to you in these comment sections!)

  22. Sean H says:

    #21 – Now that is a funny image.

  23. SN says:

    “His site gets the bandwidth bill but users never see his site. “

    Yes they do. The picture is linked to his site and is copied to the user from that site. It is never at any time transferred to our site.

  24. Sean H says:

    Yes they do. The picture is linked to his site and is copied to the user from that site. It is never at any time transferred to our site.

    It’s not linked to his site. Forcing people to right-click an image, view properties, and see where the original image is hosted _is not_ linking.

  25. patrick says:

    Well as post #6 points out the guys is a hypocrite.
    Tell him to fix his own damn site before he starts blasting others for copyright infringement and hotlinking. Doesn’t taking a picture off someone else’s site, cropping it, and adding boarder qualify as a derivative? I am no lawyer, but I think you need permission to make a derivative from someone else’s work. Maybe Mr. Harding would like to explain that away.

  26. SN says:

    “It’s not linked to his site”

    You apparently do not understand how hotlinking works. The image is not copied over to the other server. It is merely linked from the host server.

    “Forcing people to right-click an image, view properties, and see where the original image is hosted _is not_ linking.”

    Well, I agree that is not linking. I also never said that was linking. I merely said that was an easy way to find the host site of any photograph in Firefox.

  27. Uncle Dave says:

    Sean H:

    1) Reread what I wrote. The link is to the image only. Not the page. And don’t you dare say that I can’t link to JUST the image. If I can link to anything other than your front page, then you have given tacit approval to link to ANYTHING on your site.

    2) My point is that unless you have a crappy plan it isn’t costing you a penny more if an image is hotlinked or linked to. You have lost absolutely nothing since you have undoubtedly still more unused bandwidth. You have incurred zero monetary damages. The only reason you know it’s happening is because you look at a chart somewhere.

    3) You’re right. Wrong person. It was the H part of your name. Plus, you are so adamant about this issue that it seemed you WERE Harding. Sorry for the insult.

  28. SN says:

    “My point is that unless you have a crappy plan it isn’t costing you a penny more if an image is hotlinked or linked to. “

    Agreed. I host all of my pictures at this blog on my own server. But yet it doesn’t cost me a dime more. I pay more every few days for Mt Dew than I do a month for bandwidth.

    I mean I feel bad for those guys who are linked by Digg or Slashdot and have their sites taken down by brute force. But, if you post something interesting on the net, it’s bound to happen. My only advice is to be prepared to pay more or to post less interesting things.

  29. Sean H says:

    1) Reread what I wrote. The link is to the image only. Not the page. And don’t you dare say that I can’t link to JUST the image. If I can link to anything other than your front page, then you have given tacit approval to link to ANYTHING on your site.

    Even when you’ve linked directly to the image hosted on someone else’s server, you’re still sending people to their domain. I’ve followed many links of that nature in the past (we all have), and I’ve taken the extra step to check out the root of the site by removing the “someimage.jpg” part from the URL. In the end, that person benefited from the link.

    2) My point is that unless you have a crappy plan it isn’t costing you a penny more if an image is hotlinked or linked to. You have lost absolutely nothing since you have undoubtedly still more unused bandwidth. You have incurred zero monetary damages. The only reason you know it’s happening is because you look at a chart somewhere.

    Did anyone at Dvorak contact the web site owner first, to see if their hosting plan can handle the extra bandwidth?

    3) You’re right. Wrong person. It was the H part of your name. Plus, you are so adamant about this issue that it seemed you WERE Harding.

    Understandable.

  30. Sean H says:

    You apparently do not understand how hotlinking works. The image is not copied over to the other server. It is merely linked from the host server.

    I completely understand what hotlinking is, and what you just described is what you’re doing wrong.


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