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Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month’s CNN YouTube debate … but, his campaign now says, it was not true. Huckabee’s claim began unraveling following his offhanded comment about Mormonism in a New York Times interview last weekend. Reporter Zev Chafets wrote: “I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘I think it’s a religion,’ he said. ‘I really don’t know much about it.’
“I was about to jot down this piece of boilerplate when Huckabee surprised me with a question of his own: ‘Don’t Mormons,’ he asked in an innocent voice, ‘believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?'”
“I’m going to call horsepuckey on Huckabee’s claim that a New York Times reporter knew more about comparative religions than [a] guy with a theology degree,” Geraghty wrote.
That prompted Joe Carter, Huckabee’s research director, to respond to Geraghty by e-mail.
Jim,
Governor Huckabee doesn’t have a theology degree. He only spent a year in seminary.
Also, it’s not surprising that he doesn’t know much about the specific beliefs of the LDS church. There aren’t a lot of LDS members in Arkansas; they comprise just .007 percent [sic] of the population (about 20,000 out of 2,810,872 people). Most Southern evangelicals don’t have much exposure to that particular religion. Even in seminary you’re not likely to study the LDS faith unless you take a class on apologetics.
Joe
I took Sociology in college and studied various religions, and I know more about the LDS church than this guy.
Did not know you can actually get a degree in this? Wow.
I thought you can only get certification.
http://www.ghostweb.com/cgh.html
Actually I feel better because he DOESN’T have a degree in theology. LOL! What dumb ass would pad their resume with that? The democrats want this guy nominated so they can crucify him (no pun) during the campaign.
I don’t know much about religion either–just what I have read here and there.
Please correct me in my ignorance-
1. They wear burlap underwear for some reason.
2. They think Jesus Christ walked around in America and talked with the founder of the religion (Smith?)
3. Depending on how well you perform in the church, or your good mormon faith or whatever, when you die, you get to control your own individual planet.
4. Used to believe that blacks were inferior and that multiple wives were mandatory, but they gave that up to get along with the US Fed Government.
5. They are very intolerant of any change/moderation of their dogna–no cafeteria mormons.
Is any of this wrong and what should be added to it?
Funny a MINISTER would LIE in order to gain authority? Now just who would do that? Oops. Already said he was only a student of theology.
#3. Bobbo- you should watch this cartoon banned by the LDS church, I almost posted it yesterday.
http://tinyurl.com/2wfp5m
Huckabee is a retarded populist, impractical, and a whimp. I would rather see George H. W. Bush (41) back in office.
Get him off the stage.
Irony is that most of the people on here wouldn’t vote for him if he was God in the flesh.
So, something tells me that those who care about this aren’t going to vote for him anyway.
Nice cartoon as it shows the complete lunacy of this religion. Mind you, all religions are the same but this one is really stupid. It does attract other stupid people, though, so we normal people know where they congregate. Romney, you are included in this.
One thought on this. Maybe this will serve as a wake up call to evangelicals; Jesus actually was preaching an end of organized religion, and instead of trying to control the universe and others they will finally be good to their neighbors, by getting a life where they are responsible for their actions, think for themself, and not worry who will be here when they are gone, because none of us are going anywhere, because there is nowhere else to go, because IT is all here already.
#4–McCullough ==thanks for that, I think. A cartoon explaining Mormonism somehow seems quite appropriate.
Now, if we are so smart, how come Romney is the Millionaire, and atleast, I, am not?
But bottom line, Huckleberry was right. Satan is Jesus, the mormons, brother. Amen, and please tithe.
http://tinyurl.com/3d4lme
“under the Banner of Heaven” contains and abridged history of the Mormon Church and its members….and it also describes the murder of a mother and child because “God” told them to.
Read it to get a better idea so an opinion about this group can be form with some knowledge.
Most Mormon members are very much unaware of the actual theology of the church. The normal sunday morning church services are held by ‘bishops’ which are lay people of the congregation that take turns to be bishop for only a few years. You have to advance a long way in the church to get to the actual theology of the church. Members are highly discouraged from doing ANY religious research outside of sanctioned mormon books and publications.
Do some digging, it is an amazing cult.
1. Huckabee may be right about jesus and satan
2. Do some googling on the mormon militia and the massacre of innocent settlers traveling though utah by the mormon militia. The US calvary was eventually sent in to disarm them. The church of course does not want to talk about this, and most members are unaware.
3. Most of the temple rituals performed by the mormons are dead knockoffs of the freemasons, which coincidently Joseph Smith was a high ranking member.
Mormon massacre:
http://tinyurl.com/3ahnny
#4 – McCullough
Interesting cartoon. Thanks.
Did they check his undergrad degree from Ouachita Baptist University? I read somewhere that it was a B.A. in Religion. Perhaps that was what he referenced.
#11. Huckabee is right about the Mormons believing that Lucifer and Jesus are ‘spirit brothers.’
http://tinyurl.com/27n2hq
and I will put my doctorate in Astrology up against Huckabee’s theology degree any day …
I think I’ve said this before, but I’m most likely to vote for a presidential candidate that does not talk much about religion, and which, per the Constitution, believes in the separation of church and state.
Christians, Mormons and the rest of potential elected officials (including my agnostic self and the atheists out there) are more than free to indulge in their speculations about any spirit world, but should never make political decisions based on those speculations (like the Dubya has).
While Ron Paul Pawns and other anti-Huckabee folk are salivating over this hopeful lie of Huckabee’s about this theology degree, but in the end they will discover it is only exposing their ignorance.. They (like even apparently media reporting this story) show a clear misunderstand the theological world and biblical education. Biblical education and theology were a part of Huckabee’s undergraduate degree–which he obtained with an emphasis in speech and communications as well. Courses on bible and theology are required in every Christian college and university–as core requirements, despite one’s emphasis or even major. Then Huckabee completed roughly 50 units of his graduate degree in seminary. In many seminaries an M.A. can be obtained by one year’s training–sometimes two–or the equivalent of 50 or so units. There are two year Master’s degrees. Then there is a three-year Master of Divinity. A doctorate in theology can either be a D.Min (Doctorate of Ministry) or Ph.D. (Doctorate of Philosophy), depending upon the specialty–the D.Min. can also be obtained in a fairly minimal amount of time on top of a master’s degree. Bottom line, when was says one has studied theology or a degree in theology (study of God), it can mean one’s major has incorporated theology (or biblical education in it)–which Huckabee’s B.A. or B.S. did. It can also mean (as some schools) that one has studied comparative religions. It can also mean that one has studied historical or biblical theology within a degree of another emphasis. Saying one has a “degree in theology” is a very general classification. There are many forms of theology–historical, biblical, patristic, medieval, modern, etc. It would not be a lie AT ALL for Huckabee to say he had a degree in theology, when he completed his B.A. or B.S. which had biblical education courses and theology in it. In the evangelical world, to say one has a degree in theology means one has a degree in which one studied God–that is it. Huckabee did that. EVEN MORE, he completed nearly 50 units in seminary–which could give him a one-year master’s degree in many seminaries. Of course his degree plan was not one of those one-year plans, but he still did the equivalent of them. Bottom line, as I said above, it was not a lie. He did have a “degree in theology” from his undergraduate work. Even Huckabee’s aide should have known the difference and clarified that the “theology” he was speaking about was that Huckabee didn’t have a “degree in comparative religions,” which was the context of those discussions.
Huckabee’s response is therefore ACCURATE….
“I have a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work,” Huckabee answered. “And then I have 46 hours on a master’s degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion.” [“Religion” of course being “Christianity”—which is a THEOLOGICAL study!]
TO MOVE THIS SUBJECT FORWARD, Huckabee did have an emphasis in speech and communications in his undergraduate as well–something that he has clearly used in his political life, is gifted at, and will use in his presidency WHEN he wins. Unlike baby-whiner communicator’s like Ron Paul–doesn’t he sound like he’s always whining about something when he addresses any issue. Oh, I forgot my tag line…time for you Ron Pawns to start criticizing me…telling me how my research is wrong…telling me what a historical and political ignorant person I am…you’ll excuse me please while I take a NAPPY…your tactics are getting old, are not working…and your candidate is going to swirl down the toilet just like my………respectfully speaking of course.
#17-
According to your logic I could claim a degree in theology, philosophy, economics, communications, finance, management, statistics, mathematics, tax and law.
Reality: I actually have degrees in econ and law, but I took at least four courses in each of the subjects above over a period of at least three years.
In the real world, making a claim like Huckabee did (that he has a theology degree when he has completed no degree where “theology” was the major) is pretty much a guaranteed application killer for a job or graduate school application.
But of course, you can tell me all day that I just don’t understand the Evangelical world, where they use a different version of English and don’t fact check. You could also say “it was part of a bigger issue” as Huck has done w/so much of his record. Better yet, drop some ad hominems and avoid the content completely: see “Club for Greed.” That’s about all we’ve come to expect from the Duckster.
*I love how you, like Huckabee, used puffery throughout your apologetic: “roughly 50 units” = 46, etc.
Thats just it, Huckabee’s statement about Mormons believing that Jesus and Satan were brothers is accurate.
Despite the fact that evangelicals do not know much about Mormonism, Mormons are well versed in what Evangelical protestants believe, because it is basically a subset of Mormonism. Mormonism is Protestant Christianity plus some other stuff.
Mormon theology is complicated, equal or even slightly more complicated than Catholicism. This puts Protestants attempting to prove Mormonism “false” at a huge disadvantage. Mormon’s can use the bible to justify many of their additional beliefs, many of which they share with Gnostic Christians – the source of at least half of the New Testament.
This leads to a surprising fact: When Mormon’s become ex-Mormons, they rarely become Protestant Christians. To do so would be like going from College back to Junior High. I bet the #1 “church” destination for ex-mormons is unitarianism, or just flat out atheism.
Ironically, it is the Church’s emphasis on learning (“The Glory of God is Intelligence” – D&C 93:36) that has led many to follow this course. While “proving” Mormonism false theologically gets you nowhere, scientific evidence has been devastating especially at websites like mormonscripturestudies.com
Electing Huckabee or any otherwise religious zealot as US president is the American version of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.
If this happens then the US needs to halt its nuclear weapons program immediately or be subject to UN sanctions and possible military actions.
Fair is fair…right?
Cheers
Who gives a flying phuc if “Hey Zeus” and “Satan” are related. If they were, that would have been a couple of thousand years ago. A lot of water under the bridge since then. Their bones have a moldered on to dust by now. Plus there is no credible evidence of any “Satan” being significant in history that I am aware of. That “Hey Zeus” guy has a lot of controversy and conflicting evidence.
Any dude that has the ability to change water into wine and lived that close to the Mediterranean, well, doesn’t deserve much credit for accomplishing much.
When someone lies about having studied for a degree that studies fairy tales and supernatural phenomenon, it doesn’t surprise me to see that same person inventing his own little fairy tale. I assume the concept is similar, but then I have never studied for a degree in studying fairy tales and supernatural phenomenon. It sounds a little too shaky, if you know what I mean. Sorta like those dim watts that always want YOU to prove the negative.
I remember an episode of South Park that explained Mormonism in great detail.
Dum dum dum – dum dum.
“It would not be a lie AT ALL for Huckabee to say he had a degree in theology, when he completed his B.A. or B.S. which had biblical education courses and theology in it.”
Yes, it IS an out and out lie. He’s a slick used car salesman…bullshitting his way to the White House. I can NOT claim that I have a “degree” in mathematics just because I took math courses in college to get my Computer Science degree. If I told someone in job interview I had a degree in mathematics, then they looked by my college history…well, I wouldn’t get the job that’s for damn sure. It’s a lie. Hey, next can we go over the various ethics charges against him when we was Governor? That’s fun too!
Seminaries (for Protestants, anyway) are graduate schools.
So, Huckabee could have an undergraduate degree in theology plus one year of seminary.
I honestly don’t care enough to Google it but I thought I should point that out.
#11 “Most Mormon members are very much unaware of the actual theology of the church.”
Just like most people in any religion, government – no surprise there. That is the problem with most things in life sadly.
Cheers
I wonder if this has anything to do with his attitude now about being a “former” Baptist preacher?
http://cagematch.dvorak.org/index.php/topic,3052.0.html
The fact that Huckabee lied about his degree is very interesting. Kind of like stealing a gift for your mother’s birthday that lands you in Jail.
On Mormon’s if you know a good one you have to respect their faith. Any Church that can reform Killer Kane from the New York Dolls has to be interesting.
Things I know about Mormons:
Family comes first in everything they do.
Highly Educated
Multi-Lingual – Missionary service
Affluent Church
No Government involvement in their schools
Do not Drink, Smoke and No Drugs
Things I know about Mormons:
They wear magic masonic underwear (no joke!)
They have secret rituals
They do not allow non-mormons to see their rituals
They have no loyalty to the USA, only the church
They have long been accused of ritual pedophilia
Racism against blacks is ingrained in the religion itself
They still believe in men having multiple wives
They’re a cult religion like scientology
They believe when they die they become gods
They believe that you can give a person last rites AFTER they’re dead.
They have a hollowed out mountain that stores all records of human births they can get their hands on.
They sneak into cemeteries and convert dead people to Mormonism.
Not even Tom Cruise is that batcrap crazy.
Huckabee, a Baptist, believes that, because he trusts God to save him, because of Christs’ sacrifice, that his mental asent to that proposition guarantees him salvation; regardless of how he behaves. A more false, satanic, filthy notion has never been known. We must obey God to be saved, Heb.5.9. All evangelicals deny this truth.
Just for clarity, I looked up the definition for theology. Here ya go:
theology. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Retrieved February 06, 2008
1. The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.
2. A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions: Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
3. A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.
In case you didn’t get it, Huckabee got a degree in religion. Theology is the study of the nature of God and rational inquiry into religious questions. Huckabee did this and got a degree in studying the nature of God and religious questions. According to people at his campaign headquarters he was using theology and religion interchangeably, which in this context in more than acceptable. It’s definitely not dishonesty.