Moved BACK to the top until it runs out of steam!
I was always told that Christianity was a monotheistic religion but I want to challenge that because clearly it is not. First the definitions:
- No Gods – Atheism
- One God – Monotheism
- Two or more Gods – Polytheism
First, I’m not even going through the “Holy Ghost” thing except to say that “Trinity” means 3 and 3 > 1.
Assuming that:
- God is a deity
- Jesus is a deity
- Jesus and God are individuals
Then God and Jesus are two and 2 > 1.
Therefore Christianity is polytheism.
Polytheism isn’t a matter of belief. I personally am a Realist and I don’t believe any of it. However when one objectively classifies religious beliefs based on the number of gods, I’m counting two. Some would count three, but either is greater than one.
The reference is the Bible. According to the stories Jesus and God are two individuals. God was in the Old Testament, Jesus was not. Jesus was born of a virgin, God was not. Jesus addresses God as a separate individual. They have different stories. They have different roles. That talk to each other the way separate people talk.
The bottom line is – they are both deities and they are two individuals. Therefore Christianity is a polytheistic religion.
Mister Mustard #421
“Do you actually know any Jews, Scottie?”
So because you know a couple of Jews that means that a lot are pushy?
“As to the “racism”, is it “racist” to mention that Canadians tend to say “oot and aboot” a lot? Or is that OK, because you believe it to be true?”
No because it isn’t a racial thing it is a dialect. Personally I know a lot of Canadians and some speak that way and some don’t. So I wouldn’t say a lot or all or most Canadians speak that way because it would be an uneducated thing to say.
“Face it, dude. It’s a cultural thing. It’s not universal or absolute, but it’s certainly accurate.”
Prove how accurate it is by showning some data or some facts.
#421 – MM,
Do you actually know any Jews, Scottie?
Yes. I do. And, I am for purposes of this discussion but not for any discussion of religion. I have also been beaten up for being Jewish. Does that mean all Christians are anti-Semitic, hate-mongering, and violent? No. Does it mean you are? Probably not violent, no. But, you are propagating a racial/cultural stereotype that may lead to violence that still very much does occur, even in NYC.
Do you know anyone, especially an entire subgroup of people, that would not be offended by being called pushy?
I notice that you do get quite upset by being associated with Christian pedophiles. Why? Is it because it is a bigoted view? Do you not see your own views in the same light?
BTW, as a Jew, in New York City, I have to say that the “pushy Jew” stereotype is actually a new one on me. I’ve heard many other stereotypes, but not that one. Where did you dig it up? Or, did you invent it for this conversation?
PoliticallyVeryCorrect #422
“Best example: “african american” term is a substitute to “black” to you politically correct pigs, while there are white “african-americans” who moved to USA ”
No shit and they are African Americans. Wow are you a dolt!
“black people have black skin and it is not any racist term but just a fact”
Really? Well there skin isn’t really black. It has a wide range of melanin and even at it’s darkest is really more brown. So much for your ability to identify facts.
>>Prove how accurate it is by showning some
>>data or some facts.
Show me a study on “How Pushy Are Jews”, and I’ll show you some data.
As you know, that would be so politically incorrect that truth of that nature would never be allowed to come to light.
In today’s Zionist world, it’s simply taboo.
As I recommended though, walk out the door and look around.
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Facts
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Basic human races are:
people from africa generally have very dark brown skin, commonly described as “black”
(and other attributes such as hair and facial features – natural “afros”, wider noses and so on)
people from europe generally have pinkish skin color, commonly described as “white”
(and other attributes such as hair and facial features – longer noses, often colourful eyes and various shades of hair colors)
people from asia generally have darker skin than europeans but lighter than africans, commonly described as “yellow”, “brown”, “olive”
(and other attributes such as hair and facial features – commonly slant eyes, black hair, shorter noses and so on)
They all are people on this planet.
THESE ARE THE FACTS!
not any stereotypes, not any racist statements, not any politically-correct polluted bullshit either.
You want to describe a black guy as some “african-american” go ahead, it is your problem, but you should know that there is big chance that you are just fooling yourself – because he may not be from Africa and he may not be American either; but he is “black” 🙂
and a newsflash:
Those facts are the low-level primary grade schools education. If you don’t know it, you don’t have a freaking clue about the world you live in at all, and there is no hope for you lol
# 424 Mister Mustard
And you would know about my penis size how?
Well most people who feel the need to use terms that diminish others suffer from some type of sexual dysfunction. They make up for it by diminishing the prowess of their sexual competition. So I took a guess at what your dysfunction was
“Nope, just their culture. And I don’t know about being “more pushy than any other race or culture”, but they’re certainly more pushy than any other race or culture so predominant in the United States. Deal with it.”
Really? Have any anthropological evidence to back that up?
“I wasn’t aware that there was such a Usenet group”
That’s funny I thought all Christians knew about it?
“And even if I were, I certainly wouldn’t be spending so much time there as to be able to monitor the post count.”
Why what would you be doing??????????
“What exactly are you up to in your spare time?”
Waiting it on you.
“You accuse ME of wanting to fuck little boys? Har!”
Well if the shoe fits……..put on the Big-Boy Pants, suck it in, and get on with your life.
“You might want to check on your own pushyness factor”
I did and yes it is high but that still proves nothing. Beside on this blog I would not define my posts as pushy. They are really more augmentative.
“Sure it is. Just look in the mirror. ”
Ok so becuase I may be pushy all Jews are? Is that the same logic you use when you discuss religion? Oh thats right it is.
#428 – MM,
In today’s Zionist world, it’s simply taboo.
If the world is Zionist, wouldn’t Israel be a bigger country and have a better P.R team? What planet are you living on?
I fully expect your next comment to be something about as intelligent as “The Jews control the media!” (Of course, Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch are Jewish in your world.)
Please don’t let me down now. I’m enjoying watching as your IQ points erode.
#431 Simple question: why do you pay “kosher tax” every time you buy i.e. milk since you are not jewish?
>>Ok so becuase I may be pushy all Jews are?
I never said “all Jews are”. I said they tend to be a lot pushier than other ethnic groups; you’re just killing yourself to prove me right.
#428 Mister Mustard
“Show me a study on “How Pushy Are Jews”, and I’ll show you some data.”
Wait I am asking you for a study. How did that get turned around
“As you know, that would be so politically incorrect that truth of that nature would never be allowed to come to light.”
Really? Why?
“In today’s Zionist world, it’s simply taboo.”
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
See bobbo if you do a little tug on the thread it starts to unravel itself. What he means by that is that the Jews run the world.
“As I recommended though, walk out the door and look around.”
Why? So I can see my big Jew pool and my big Jew fountain and my fancy Jew car and my 25 acres of Jew land or kibbutz?
# 429 PoliticallyVeryCorrect
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Facts
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LOL havent you already proven you don’t know what a fact is?
#432 PCV,
I wasn’t aware that I do. I do not keep kosher, so, if true, I would be as upset as I am when I pay “oil tax” in my income tax bill, as well as “child tax” for my non-existent children and “church tax” for all the revenue on which the church does not pay tax. I would be upset about all of these.
Thinking about this a bit, I’m guessing you mean that products that have the OU label must pay to get that label. Am I right?
If so, I imagine that the companies that decide to pay it have decided that they will increase their market share by doing so. Why don’t they keep the kosher stuff separate and charge less for the non-kosher? I imagine that they have decided through perfectly valid business decisions that they can make the product cheaper by keeping just a single line of the product than by dividing it into two lines, one kosher and one non.
Since meat is sold in two different lines, one kosher and one non, it makes the point quite well that it is a perfectly normal business decision for the producer.
# 412
So you are saying that John’s pet writers are not religious bigots? Why don’t we see posts about atheist pedophiles.. or atheistic communist purges…. or the fact that Christians give an inordinate amount of time and money for relief efforts around the world (excluding giving to their own church)? This is an atheist blog. I get it. I read it. I enjoy it. I respond. Get over it.
“J”, I know you are one of the volunteers in your jewish community center ‘supervising’ anything jew-related on the web, perhaps you are not even the same person as the one who was posting here yesterday (that explains why “you” may not remember it), but i have already told you to just fuck off and not to reply to me. Get lost, how many times do i have to repeat it?
# 433 Mister Mustard
I never said “all Jews are”. I said they tend to be a lot pushier than other ethnic groups; you’re just killing yourself to prove me right.”
Here is your one comment
“And when I pointed out that there are a lot of pushy Jews” -Mr Mustard”
Correct you didn’t say all. But “a lot” is not much better and just as untrue. And that is just one of you numerous disparaging remarks about Jews and about others.
Again, I would describe my posts as Argumentative not pushy.
#437 because christianity is a scapegoat of the current political correctness in USA for years already, why even ask?
(not that christianity is all so rosy and peachy, just another dumb religion lol)
>>If the world is Zionist, wouldn’t Israel be
>>a bigger country and have a better P.R team?
I think if you look at the the public relations they get, and then look at how many of them there are in the world, you will agree that they are doing just fine as they are.
>>I fully expect your next comment to be
>>something about as intelligent as “The Jews
>>control the media!”
Haw! Sorry to let you down, Scottie. Although I wish they DID control the media. I hate to let slip another “stereotype” of mine, but I agree with them more often than not. We could use more papers like the New York Times (oh, is it “racist” to point out that Arthur Ochs Sulzburger Jr. is a Jew, and that his family has controlled the paper since 1896?).
In spite of your (and “J”‘s) continuing efforts to paint me as a latter-day Adolf Hitler, I’m quite sympathetic to Jews. In fact a Jewish guy (a pushy one, albeit) is my best friend. And **GASP** he admits that Jews are pushy!! But this continuing effort to paint the culture of Jews as not promoting pushiness only erodes your IQ points further than they already have.
Get a grip, Scottie. Jews are pushy. Italians talk using their hands. Canadians say “oot and aboot”. All of them? No. But enough to make it a valid cultural observation.
# 438 PoliticallyVeryCorrect
“but i have already told you to just fuck off and not to reply to me. Get lost, how many times do i have to repeat it?”
You don’t like me replying to you???? WELL TOO FUCKING BAD!!!!!
I never said “all Jews are”. I said they tend to be a lot pushier than other ethnic groups; you’re just killing yourself to prove me right. — Mr. Mustard
Wow these Unitarian Nouveau Christians really do tend to think a lot less and be more belligerent in their views than most other groups, don’t they?
Oh, wait! No. It’s not the whole group. It’s just our dear little Musty one.
I have no time right now, but will bb this eve. In the meantime –
This, beneath it all, is the so-called “logic” of the brainwashed sheeple who have been indoctrinated into Marxist Political Correctness:
Bad people, racists, claim that any race other than their own is inferior to their own.
Therefore, any person who claims that human races exist – or, if races DO exist, any person who claims that any race is different from any other race in any characteristic, is a bad person and a racist.
That’s PC reasoning for you.
Saying that groups of people differ in traits and abilities is somehow twisted into claiming that this group is “inferior” to that group.
This Marxist dogma has as it’s fundamental and unspoken principle (because when it’s brought out and examined it’s obviously laughably false) the idea that EVERYBODY IS IDENTICAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE – AND EVERY GROUP OF PEOPLE IS IDENTICAL TO EVERY OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE. THERE ARE NO HERITABLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS OR IDENTIFIABLE GROUPS OF HUMAN BEINGS. ANYONE WHO CLAIMS OTHERWISE IS AN EVIL GENOCIDAL RACIST MONSTER.
Great reasoning there, huh?
This is what the ‘J’s of the world have been programmed to parrot.
I’ll be back.
# 440 PoliticallyVeryCorrect
“not that christianity is all so rosy and peachy, just another dumb religion lol”
Look..We can agree on some things lol
#442 normally people expect replies in the discussions, i simply chose not to discuss with racist pigs like you – and i told you that out of decency, so you won’t waste your and mine time.
But plesae do reply to me as much as you want, i actually don’t mind when pigs like you waste their time (as this is my last reply to you)
# 443 Misanthropic Scott
Canadians say “oot and aboot”. All of them?
Really? Well that just isn’t true. That’s like saying all Americans say ye’all
# 444 the Three-Headed Cat
“Therefore, any person who claims that human races exist – or, if races DO exist, any person who claims that any race is different from any other race in any characteristic, is a bad person and a racist.”
Nope
“Saying that groups of people differ in traits and abilities is somehow twisted into claiming that this group is “inferior” to that group.”
Nope
“This Marxist dogma has as it’s fundamental and unspoken principle ….Bla Bla Bla Bla”
I don’t subscribe to that nonsense.
“Great reasoning there, huh?”
Ok if you think so.
“This is what the ‘J’s of the world have been programmed to parrot.”
Nope Since I disagree with it I would have to say Nope
#441 – MM,
Nope. You didn’t let me down a bit. I never expected the “some of my best friends are Jewish” line. It’s a classic, even when slightly modified.
As for number of Jews and public relations, perhaps if you’re comparing to atheists and you stick only within the U.S., you might almost have a point. But, it’s a point that only works in the U.S. and only by comparison to atheists who are the least respected group in the country.
Since you said Zionist world, it fails utterly. The rest of the world really does hate everything about Israel.
# 446 PoliticallyVeryCorrect
“i simply chose not to discuss with racist pigs like you ”
Hah. Do you really think that trick will work? LOL LOL LO HA HA HA HA
“as this is my last reply to you”
Why? Do you have to go off molest little children? You know since your a Christian
>>Correct you didn’t say all. But “a lot” is not
>>much better and just as untrue. And that is
>>just one of you numerous disparaging
>>remarks about Jews and about others.
Some people (Jews included) would consider “pushyness” to be a virtue, not a failing.
>>Really? Well that just isn’t true. That’s
>>like saying all Americans say ye’all
Hey, nothing like taking Scottie’s straw-man argument against me as “my argument”. Jeez. I thought you were above that.
And if you were as un-offended by the claim that Jews are pushy as Canadians are that they say “oot and aboot” or as Americans are that they say “ye’all” (sic), you’d be in good shape.
Suck it in. Put on the Big-Boy Pants. Get on with your life.
And drop those Christian fruitcake friends who think that most Christians think that Christians are stereotyped a little-boy-fuckers. They sound almost as paranoid as you are!
#447 – J,
I think you meant to make that comment regarding the Musty one’s post #441.
#444 – ThreeIncorrectHeads,
Saying that groups of people differ in traits and abilities is somehow twisted into claiming that this group is “inferior” to that group.
Actually, claiming that people differ in physical traits may or may not be racist depending on context and the trait being discussed.
Claiming that ethnic groups differ in abilities is likely to be racist most of the time. Most have historically been claims that the speaker’s group is superior in intelligence or some other ability. In reality, it really is true that people of all races are equal or extremely nearly so on average in all abilities.
This is a good working assumption anyway. If there are some slight differences, it’s probably a bad idea to raise human children in laboratory conditions to prove otherwise. Thus far, to the best of my knowledge, no significant differences in abilities have been reported.
# 451 Mister Mustard
“Hey, nothing like taking Scottie’s straw-man argument against me as “my argument”. ”
As I recall it was your straw man argument and yes I did use it against you.
“And if you were as un-offended by the claim that Jews are pushy as Canadians are that they say “oot and aboot” or as Americans are that they say “ye’all” (sic), you’d be in good shape.”
You make me laugh. You misrepresent about others using straw man arguments and then you throw another one out there.
“And drop those Christian fruitcake friends who think that most Christians think that Christians are stereotyped a little-boy-fuckers. They sound almost as paranoid as you are!”
I never said that they said Christians think that Christians are pedophiles. They think that others think that Christians are either closet homosexuals or pedophiles. With all the reports of the “Christians” coming out of the closet and all the Christian leaders having sex with little boys They don’t like the way that it make Christianity look.