I thought the Constitution protected the rights of U.S. citizens, legal immigrants – temporary and permanent. Not illegal immigrants.
Lawyers for 10 Latino men arrested in Danbury in the past year filed a civil rights lawsuit accusing city and federal officials of a plot to harass immigrants through illegal arrests and intimidation.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in New Haven, alleges authorities violated the plaintiffs’ constitutional rights to due process, equal protection, free speech, free association and freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures.
In my neck of the woods, I’d say, “Hispanic” of course. The whole East Coast “Latino” semantics jive makes my Hispanic neighbors giggle because – under the accepted urbane collegiate definition – I qualify as “Latino” since half my genes come from the Mediterranean.
Nine of the men were day laborers arrested in a sting operation on Sept. 19, 2006. They were waiting at a park and got into a vehicle driven by a man who they thought had hired them to demolish a fence, but who was actually an undercover Danbury police officer, according to the lawsuit.
When the men arrived at the purported work site, they were arrested and shipped to detention centers around the country. All nine are free on bond and their immigration cases are pending.
Essentially, the role of the Danbury PD was with – and on behalf of – ICE conducting federal arrests for illegal immigration. The 10th man arrested has already been deported.
This whole argument has been distorted from day one with the invented term “illegal immigrants”. There are “immigrants” and two types of “aliens” – legal and illegal.
Legal Immigrants have the right to learn English, assimilate and become American.
Legal Aliens have the right work for as long as they’re visa says they can, or be tourists or whatever.
Illegal Aliens have the right to STFU and go back wherever they came from.
1. iGlobalWamer: Illegal Aliens have the right to STFU and go back wherever they came from.
But then who is going to bring in the harvests, do all the labor, look after everyone’s kids and wash all the dishes?
F’n bendehos!
Or grab their crotches @ the camera, according to DU
You can almost count on the ACLU and other ultra liberal groups to support these shitheads. Why even call them illegal if they seem to have the same rights as citizen and legal aliens.
#2 – jobs will go back to the folks in my community – often young and unskilled – who used to have those jobs. That is – in the case of construction labor, kitchen and service jobs – before wages were cut on average 20% and turned over to undocumentados.
There weren’t any reductions in retail prices; so, the owners of those construction companies, hotels, restaurants, etc. still ain’t going out of business by paying a living wage.
Migrants to pick peaches? Well, Lou Dobbs picked peaches as a kid. My cousins picked tobacco. We all seemed to live through it and – guess what – those orchards and farms never went out of business.
Visa! We dont need no stinking Visa!
6. moss- I agree, its called work. Teens can do it after school and in the summer. I worked as a janitor after school, washed dishes in a local restaraunt, in the summer picked apples in the orchards, did lawn work (now called “landscaping”) etc. If I had to, I would do it today to feed myself if necessary.
Where are the fines for the business that employ the illegal workers? Why is it that the people, simply trying to make a buck and doing jobs no American will do, are the only ones in trouble here?
It’s pure folly to think that if you were to pay people for these jobs what they should be paid that costs associated with those industries wouldn’t rise and bring that higher cost to the consumer.
Visas? We don need no stinkin’ visas
>>F’n bendehos!
Better work on your spelling, pinche cabrón.
>>Or grab their crotches @ the camera, according to DU
Yeah, I’ll bet those are the self-same 10 guys who were arrested. Pffft. They look like major league baseball players to me. If they had a big wad of chawin’ tobaccy in their cheek, it would be a slam dunk.
>>jobs will go back to the folks in my community – often young
>>and unskilled – who used to have those jobs.
Right. Sure. The young and unskilled workers currently have every chance to apply for and work those jobs. But wtf, if you can get a bunch of spics and beaners to do the shit work, why should Buffy and Kyle lower themselves to pick lettuce or whip up those tasty Bean Burritos at Taco Bell? Or maybe you think employers would rather risk felony convictions to seek out illegal aliens, rather than give the work to high school kids. Could the high school kids really be THAT shitty at picking lettuce and making burritos?
This whole “illegal aliens” brouhahah is 99.9% xenophobia, 0.1% real issues.
Hatemongers. Gotta love ’em.
Regarding JCD’s statement, “I thought the Constitution protected the rights of U.S. citizens.”
As I recall, the Constitution refers to the rights of “persons,” which has universal implications well beyond the confines of citizenship.
>>In my neck of the woods, I’d say, “Hispanic” of course. The whole
>>East Coast “Latino” semantics jive makes my Hispanic neighbors
>>giggle because – under the accepted urbane collegiate definition –
>>I qualify as “Latino” since half my genes come from the
>>Mediterranean.
Tee hee, neighbors. Giggle giggle. “Latino” as used in common parlance is a shortened form of “Latinoamericano”, just has “Hispanic” is a shortened form of “Hispanoamericano”, referring to people whose country of origin is in Latin America.
As to your gene pool, you’d also qualify as “Hispanic”, according to the archaic definition of that term (as well as the archaic definition of “Latino”. Just because a bunch of southwestern Beaners aren’t familiar with the etymology of the words, and don’t talk like East Coasterners, that doesn’t mean they’re correct.
>>11 yeah, let ‘em in. GIve them your house will you? I’m sure
>>you’ll find another one. Or give them a room of the one you
>>have. Two if they have kids.
wtf? Are you into the agua ardiente [ http://tinyurl.com/2jlvvp ] already? If I put my house up for sale, anybody with the money to buy it is welcome to do so. As to “giving” my real estate away to anyone, I’d be more likely to give it away to a hard-working “hispanic” (legal or illegal) than I would be to give it away to Muffy or Kyle. What does this have to do with anything anyway? One charge that I have NOT heard the xenophobe hatemongers throw yet is that illegal aliens are forcing native-born Americans to give away their homes. Jeez.
Americans are the nicest people in the world.
I doubt if there’s ever been a country in history that simply gave itself away, just so a few already rich people could make a few extra dollars.
12. MarkP As I recall, the Constitution refers to the rights of “persons,” which has universal implications well beyond the confines of citizenship.
Unless, of course, you are an enemy combatant….
this should be thrown out of the courts. You have no civil rights in America if you’re not an american!
America is being invaded “peacefully” while we turn a blind eye to it. As soon as they have the majority, which will be very soon, america will become North Mexico. Mark my words and wake the F-up
#1 Global….Illegal Aliens have the right to STFU and go back wherever they came from.
I agree! And I’ve made my feeling be seen before, but here goes:
Let’s start with the descendants of Sir Walter Raleigh and the passengers on the Mayflower! That filthy European scum has been infecting this continent with theft, murder, smallpox, and so forth for far, far too long.
Of course I live in California, which the Spanish Europeans stole from the people living there, and the Anglo Europeans subsequently stole from the Spanish.
As someone who is part Cherokee, I resent the whole bunch, with a special hatred for the bastard on the $20!
U. S. out of North America NOW!
Interesting paradox, either our laws and Constitution apply to these individuals (i.e., we can legally arrest them for entering the country illegally), or our laws do not apply to them (they can’t claim protections under the Constitution).
Which is it? It can’t be that our laws don’t apply to them, as we do arrest illegals. So that must mean they’re covered by Constitutional rights, correct?
Why do we let them out? They are not due any protection AT ALL!
Simply put them in jail for life without parole.
Well if people in Guantanamo can claim Constitutional rights, then surely so can these people.
>>Simply put them in jail for life without parole.
Screw that, LWoP is for pussies….let’s just kill ’em all. Up against the wall, motherfuckers!
And no need to wait and see if they might actually be here legally; hey, they LOOK like Spics and Beaners, and their continued presence will only encourage others of their sub-human race to try and come here to rape and pillage our land, as our sub-human forbears on the Mayflower and at Ellis Island did before.
If these nine men are in the country illegally, then the issue ought to be moot. They go back from whence they come and they have rights as long as it takes to transport them out of the country.
The case seems to hinge on whether law enforcment can round up people suspected of being in the country illegally and require them to provide a valid visa. At the end of the day it won’t make any difference as there is no consequence for the police doing so. If the police lose the case, Federal immigration will still deport them.
This is not like a criminal case where if found not guilty, it is as if the act never occurred and the person goes free. Regardless of whether the police acted appropriately or not, all that matters is whether these guys are in the country legally or not. If not, then no degree of impropriety on the part of the police will change that.
From the article:
> He also wants a path to citizenship for the nation’s illegal workers.
WTF?! That path already exists and they circumvented it to get into the country now.
Mustard, employers don’t fear a felony conviction, since all the illegals have ‘valid’ papers. They prefer the illegals to high school kids.
The other jobs loss comes from illegals hired as independent contractors. Then, there’s no taxes withheld, and the illegal keeps all the money while undercutting the regular workers.
>>They prefer the illegals to high school kids.
Well, either the high school kids are so lazy and shitty at the work that they’re not worth hiring, or they don’t want the jobs in the first place. When I was in high school, we used to pick tobacco in the summer. No kid wants to do that nowadays. Not when they can spend the summer playing Halo 3, or flirting with the hotties in dad’s office as an “intern”.
>>all the illegals have ‘valid’ papers.
So that means they have “valid” SS#’s, and they pay taxes like Social Security, that they will never be able to collect on.
Come on, Mikey. Just admit it. You hate Beaners and Spics, regardless of their status. Confession is good for the soul.
>>well, seems you’re ok to give them your country away,
If you consider hard-working individuals coming here, doing shit work that nobody else wants, paying SS taxes that they will never be able to collect on, working for minimum wage, and suffering the abuse heaped on them my the hatemongers and the xenophobes “giving my country away”, I guess you’re right.
From a purely selfish standpoint, it really doesn’t bother me that they’re here. They don’t have any jobs that I want, they don’t live in houses that I want to buy, they seem friendly. And damn – those Taco Bell bean burritos (with Fire Sauce) are a BARGAIN AT TWICE THE PRICE!
>>18 peolple like you are funny. While you’re at it, those
>>illegals getting into the US do not have the right either.
So what you’re saying is that anyone who’s not a Native American should be booted the fuck back to wherever they (or their ancestors) came from. Wow. You’re a real hardass!
Eideard, regarding the application of civil rights under the U.S. Constitution to illegal immigrants, this is a quote from the Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982) decision by the U.S. Supreme Court:
Emphasis mine, via Wikipedia. In short: the government cannot on one hand enforce laws on illegal aliens and on the other hand deny them protection under the law.
Yes it is a HARD STANCE! The easy is not working!!
So how many more people have to die before we start stop this?
Just one of many.
“I was having a bad day,” illegal immigrant Diego Pillco, 19, allegedly told cops. “I didn’t mean to kill her. But I did kill her.” ”
Granted this is just one. But with out proper vetting we will never know. My grandparents came here LEGALLY!! It can be done!
So hold the ALL to that standard.
If they come here illegally make the price so high as not be not worth taking the chance!
Being nice and slapping the wrist is not WORKING!!!
Just some numbers for the pantry wist crowd.
# Ninety-five percent of warrants for murder in Los Angeles, Calif. are for illegal aliens.
# Eighty-three percent of warrants for murder in Phoenix, Ariz. are for illegal aliens.
# Eighty-six percent of warrants for murder in Albuquerque, N.M., are for illegal aliens.
# Seventy-five percent of people on the “Most Wanted” list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
# Twenty-five percent of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals who are here illegally.
# Forty percent of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
This information is confirmed by Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, who says the high number of Americans killed by illegal aliens is only part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration.
# Forty-eight percent of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
# Twenty-nine percent (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons occupy our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
# More than 53 percent of burglaries in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
# More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
# More than 70 percent of all cars stolen in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California are stolen by illegals.
# Forty-seven percent of drivers stopped by police in California have no license, insurance, or registration; and of that 47 percent, 92 percent are illegal aliens.
# Sixty-three percent of stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, insurance, or registration for the vehicle. Of that 63 percent, 97 percent are illegal aliens.
# Sixty-six percent of stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, insurance, or registration; and of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegals.
A recent study by Pew Hispanic Center reveals Hispanics are two times more likely to be incarcerated than non-Hispanics.
They are 3.8 times more likely to be imprisoned for murder than non-Hispanics and Hispanic youth are more likely to be found in gangs.
Fifty-five percent of Mexican Americans consider themselves to be Mexican first.
mister mustard you are misinformed. NO, even if a gringo applies for the job, they will NOT GET IT, and if they do, the intimidation and bull**it will start. The Latino/Hispanic illegal aliens will do their best to drive out ANYONE NOT ALSO Latino/Hispanic, and also Illegal. Seriously…I have friends who have applied (and were hired) for these jobs, only to be forced out (non cooperation, as in down right being ignored, having work tools stolen and damaged, and having the snot knocked out of them by the co-workers). And, employers know the problem, which is why once they start having a Spanish language shop, they do NOT HIRE non-Spanish speakers, etc. Perhaps its been a while since you, Mr. Mustard, have worked in landscaping, kitchen jobs, construction?
You just don’t know. So, admit it.
Iirc, the constitution applies to anyuone on US soil. Not that the present administration is much interested.