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Guns don’t kill people. Pictures of guns kill pictures of people.
UPDATE: The picture above is the drawing the kid made. Obviously, it’s the smiley faces on the barrel that did him in.
The whole having a real gun debate is still raging here. But the issue of imaginary guns hasn’t been touched. If, in the hopes of preventing another Columbine, this is the most effective response schools can come up with, we’re screwed.
Ariz. school suspends boy for sketching gun
School officials suspended a 13-year-old boy for sketching what looked like a gun, saying the action posed a threat to his classmates.
The boy’s parents said the drawing was a harmless doodle and school officials overreacted.
“The school made him feel like he committed a crime. They are doing more damage than good,” said the boy’s mother, Paula Mosteller.
The drawing did not show blood, bullets, injuries or target any human, the parents said. And the East Valley Tribune reported that the boy said he didn’t intend for the picture to be a threat.
Administrators of Payne Junior High in nearby Chandler suspended the boy on Monday for five days but later reduced it to three days.
The boy’s father, Ben Mosteller, said that when he went to the school to discuss his son’s punishment, school officials mentioned the seriousness of the issue and talked about the massacre at Colorado’s Columbine High School, where two teenagers shot and killed 12 students, a teacher and themselves in 1999. Mosteller said he was offended by the reference.
Chandler district spokesman Terry Locke said the crude sketch was “absolutely considered a threat,” and that threatening words or pictures are punishable.
Earlier today, the picture looked like it might have been from Syd Mead’s sketchbook of concept art for Blade Runner…
But now that I see the real pic I have to ask?
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A GUN??? IS THIS A GUN AS DRAWN BY A RETARDED KID??? JESUS H. FREAKIN’ CHRIST ON A POGO STICK!!!
yeah… I know… everybody’s a critic…
Oh man, had it been me in that school, I would have been expelled for how well I drew guns, swords, and knives if that’s the baseline for a five day vacation.
>>Mustard, I think there’s an S&W semi auto with vent holes
>>along the side like that.
Let me know the model, and I’ll check. My ex-wife lives about 5 minutes away from the S&W factory in MA.
I’m aware of revolvers with vent holes (MagnaPorting) on the barrel; in fact I used to have a nice S&W Model 629 (stainless, 8 3/8″ barrel, 2x Leupold scoped sight) with MagnaPorting).
I can’t imagine such a thing on a semi, though. What would it do? If it was on the slide, it would be completely useless; if it was on the barrel, it would probably cause the gun to jam, as the ejection mechanism is dependent on the pressure build-up to kick the casing out. And semiautomatics don’t have that much recoil anyway….there’d be no reason to vent them.
>>IS THIS A GUN AS DRAWN BY A RETARDED KID???
Hey, we agree on this, OFTLO.
This is very stupid.
Having said that though, the next time some half brained, mentally deficient, deranged, crazy, hell bent on revenge, atheist, suicidal maniac starts shooting people, and yes it will happen, some one will be asking why we are so permissive with kids and guns.
Of course, that relationship will be just as stupid, but then we have so many stupid people not only running the system, but also parenting those in the system.
If I was the father my next stop would be to a lawyer to verify that such crude drawings are considered an actual threat. If it cost me $100 for a letter to the school, than so be it. I would also be asking the school to pay that fee.
33 – I’m not an S&W fan, just noticed something like that on some pistol in the display while wishing I had the cash for the .45 next to it.
Magna porting would be above the muzzle.
Purpose? Like the cute little fishy face on fishing lures; to catch a gullible customer.
“Having said that though, the next time some half brained, mentally deficient, deranged, crazy, hell bent on revenge, atheist, suicidal maniac starts shooting people, and yes it will happen, some one will be asking why we are so permissive with kids and guns.”
Since when does Atheism have anything to do with it? Atheists are less likely to engage in these acts, not more. The people who did these things were either psychotic or driven to believe this was the only way to get back at their tormentors, not because of their not believing in an invisible man in the sky. The religious have caused far more deaths than any atheists. (And before you bring up communism, yes, communism does tend to be atheistic, the worst killers under it were simply Tyrants by a different title.)
>>Atheists are less likely to engage in these acts, not more.
Would that be as a percentage of the population, the number of victims, or what?
I’d be surprised if the number of people killed (in the US, in the last 100 years) by holy-roller snake-handling, faith-healing nutcases amounted to a hill of beans, when compared to the number (factored any way you like) killed by people who don’t believe in God.
And no, I’m not going to discuss the meaning of “atheism”. Burned out on that one long ago.
Over and out.
37 – I doubt that there is any statistical relationship. People are going to come up with rationalizations for doing what they want.
While Communism is technically an atheism, so is Budhism.
I don’t agree that a faith in any god should be necessary for a faith system to be called a “religion”. Communism certainly has all the other attributes of a religion.
#39 – While Communism is technically an atheism
Fuck me slowly with a chainsaw… What the fuck are schools teaching?!?!?!
>>Fuck me slowly with a chainsaw…
Heh heh, OFTLO. I see a whole new can of worms has been opened.
Being a naughty, dangerous, free-thinking, unconventional, anti-establishmentarian Bohemian has its drawbacks.
wow, I spent a LOT of time in grade school drawing guns. and fighter planes shooting rockets. and space ships shooting lasers.
ok, a lot of the last were actually traced from ‘Spacecraft 2000-2100’ rather than drawn freehand.
but anyway, I put this stuff all over my notebooks and on whatever scraps of paper were handy. not my homework, though, because you had to turn that in.
and for some reason I did not turn out to be a homicidal maniac.
go figure.
maybe if I had been unjustly suspended or expelled from school, that would have been a different story …
That’s the affect of a zero tolerance policy that the school district has.
Interesting another local TV station had the AZ Superintendent of Schools on as part of a phone bank they run every once in a while. He is opposed to these zero tolerance policies.
38: I’d be surprised if the number of people killed (in the US, in the last 100 years) by holy-roller snake-handling, faith-healing nutcases amounted to a hill of beans, when compared to the number (factored any way you like) killed by people who don’t believe in God.
Amazing that you’d lump Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Aldous Huxley, Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Isaac Asimov, Ernest Hemingway, Arthur C. Clarke, George Carlin, Gene Roddenberry, Helen Keller, James Madison, John Adams, George Orwell, Robert A Heinlein, Charles Schultz, Samuel “Mark Twain” Clemens, and many, many more Atheists who are much smarter than you in with people actually responsible for great crimes against humanity, such as the extremely religious Turks when they slaughtered the Armenians, when the devoutly christian Hitler had millions killed, or when the serbian orthodox Milosevic tried to wipe out the people in his country who weren’t part of his tribe.
#35-39 “Since when does Atheism have anything to do with it? Atheists are less likely to engage in these acts, not more? ”
I think it is reasonable to assume that religious people would view atheists being Godless therefore they have no morals – hence atheists have no problem with shooting people and other heinous crimes.
“Communism certainly has all the other attributes of a religion.”
True – but so does all other political parties not just the communist party.
As it communism was brought up – if you ever wondered what Russia and Mao’s China and all the others were about, were they were coming from have a read of the communist manifesto
http://tinyurl.com/48r54
Some parts make quite interesting points however communism is doomed to failure. Communism does not allow progress, market expansion or economic growth which is why China has abandoned communism for capitalism before another revolution like what happened in Russia. I think the Chinese were smarter in a controlled change over to capitalism instead what happened in Russia and the chaos that ensued.
And no, I am not a government stooge as #253 of the gun debate. 😉
Cheers.
#45 Me- self EDIT:
And no, I am not a government stooge as #253 of the gun debate said I might be. 😉
Sorry the last bit got clipped off and it would seem I was accusing the person posting #253 as a government stooge only.
Sorry!
Cheers
>>Amazing that you’d lump Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin,
>>Abraham Lincoln, Aldous Huxley, Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, Andrew
>>Carnegie, Isaac Asimov, Ernest Hemingway, Arthur C. Clarke, George
>>Carlin, Gene Roddenberry, Helen Keller, James Madison, John
>>Adams, George Orwell, Robert A Heinlein, Charles Schultz, Samuel
>>“Mark Twain” Clemens, and many, many more Atheists who are much >>smarter than you in with people actually responsible for great crimes >>against humanity,
If you really think all those people are Atheists, you’re not only dumber than they are, you’re dumber than me.
Helen Keller was a Swedenborgian, Charles Schulz belonged to the Church of God, Thomas Jefferson was an avowed Deist, I’m sure you can Google the rest. The few of them who were not God-lovers of some sort were agnostics or secular humanists.
Milosovec may have been an “orthodox” something, but he certainly never embraced any church, or professed allegiance to any “god”.
Please do a little homework before you post in the future.
Thanks in advance.
47: Oh, really then, huh?
The majority were, in fact Atheists. However, heavily brainwashed individuals like yourself will always equate God=Morality solely because that’s what your Priest/Minister/Imam/Rabbi etc. tell you to believe. Morality is a social effect based on what is needed to maintain peace and coexist. The reason “god” (or Odin, Zeus, or one of the great many other ones that came before) was used is that way back, before people had learned more than how to make weapons, build huts, and plant crops, a few of the smartest said “we need rules for the tribe, but those big guys won’t listen to us if we just tell them to follow these rules.”
and, just so you have a little background, I am a patriotic, 6-year Army service, politically moderate Atheist who thinks that the entire idea of judging someone by their beliefs, color, accent, or sexual orientation is wrong. Of course, few care about what Dr. Martin Luther King had to say.
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
” * I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.” I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
* I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor’s lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. ”
He was preaching the ultimate form of tolerance. Looking at someone and seeing a person, not their skin color, or beliefs, or anything else. And he was killed for this. Yet hate-mongerers like Jerry Falwell became rich and taught their intolerance to later generations and went on to die of old age.
>>The majority were, in fact Atheists.
Name a few. Preferably enough to bring the percentage up to >50% (a “majority”) The first three I looked up were die-hard theists.
>>I am an .. Atheist who thinks that the entire idea of judging
>>someone by their beliefs,… is wrong.
Well, just like I am in the minority of God-lovers, I guess that puts you in the minority of Atheists here on DU. Most of them seem to have unmitigated disgust for anyone who puts any faith in anything you can’t see under a microscope.
I can see how being one of the 88.3% of the country that is Christian would make you feel like a minority. [/sarcasm]
And there is a difference between judging a person based on their beliefs and pointing out the problems with their beliefs.
#44 “devoutly Christian Hitler”
Hitler Bible thumping?
Cheers
#37, steelcobra,
Ya effen moran !!!
For someone that managed to string a few polysyllabic utterances together you sure the eff missed the point. IT WAS FUCKING SARCASM !!!
You must have been reading Mister Mustard’s posts again.
#40,
Fuck me slowly with a chainsaw…
WOW, talk about kinky rough sex.
Not for me, you know, hemorrhoids and all.
>>I can see how being one of the 88.3% of the country that
>>is Christian would make you feel like a minority.
You might consider understanding what I am saying before you engage in your verbal gymnastics, Snake Boy. And “88.3%”?? Oooh, such precision. Too bad what you offer in precision, you make up for in lack of accuracy. More like 76% ( http://tinyurl.com/oi9v ). Granted, it’s a more prevalent religion than Atheism (see Atheism listed the table of Top 20 Religions in the US), but that’s not what I was referring to.
>>And there is a difference between judging a person based
51: when the Pope and senior Cardinals attend your birthday parties…
52: This is the internet, and a sarcastic tone cannot be conveyed without a modifier to indicate that it is such. This mistake is common to those unaccustomed to communicating in online forums.
Oh, it’s spelled Moron.
54: Different sources.
And to you just randomly start pounding something out and hit submit before you finish?
#55 Yes – I know… 😉
I was trying to overlay a “Pat Roberson” persona on Hitler and “The 1000 (Year) Club”! Or how about Oral Roberts? ROTFL! 😀
Cheers
#53 Hey Ralphie, That chainsaw would make short work of those haemorrhoids though… 😀
Cheers
>>And to you just randomly start pounding something out and hit
>>submit before you finish?
Oh, once in a while. That’s not what happened here, though; I finished my succinct and cogent argument, hit submit, and somehow the last 3 or 4 lines or my entry magically disappeared. Life’s a bitch, huh?
#41 – Being a naughty, dangerous, free-thinking, unconventional, anti-establishmentarian Bohemian has its drawbacks.
Out of six adjectives, one of them actually can be used to describe me… If you wanted two, you could add literate.
#45 – I think it is reasonable to assume that religious people would view atheists being Godless therefore they have no morals – hence atheists have no problem with shooting people and other heinous crimes.
Yes. It’s always easy to assume that religious people get things wrong.