Are chicken houses the next battleground in the war on terror?
Poultry growers are squawking mad over proposed regulations from the Department of Homeland Security that anybody with 7,500 pounds or more of propane gas register with the agency. The threshold is low enough that poultry farmers who use propane to heat chicken houses in the winter may be affected.
“It would affect almost all of us,” said Jenny Rhodes, who has 80,000 roasters in Centreville. She criticized the proposal to fill out “hellacious forms” and register farmers’ propane use.
“I could think of a lot easier, better targets” for terrorists than chicken farms, groused Richard Lobb, spokesman for the National Chicken Council.
1. Why do we have fools in charge who think every tough question can be solved by filling out a form?
2. Why do we have fools in charge who see no difference between a chemical plant and a chicken farm?
Inspiration courtesy of KB
Why do we have fools in charge?
We vote for the lizards because if we don’t vote, the wrong lizard might get into office.
Note: Of course, I mean no disrespect to lizards. I like lizards. I’m just making a Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy reference.
Let’s not forget that terrorist attacks are not all perpetrated by foreign extremists — Timothy McVeigh was an American right-wing conservative.
We need protection from Al Queda, et al, as well as from the hard-core Christian militants festering like a cancer within our own borders.
The American People deserve the president they voted for.
I mean after 2000-2004,……. Wasnt it clear enough, Yet you guys still put him back in power.
On other note, for every republican and every democrat here and even the independents, LISTEN UP, find out about the CAGING LIST. And then you will really know if your vote counted. I have alot to say but, im not safe saying what i would really want to say. thanks to fisa
i sure hope that the Department of Homeland (in)Security doesn’t figure out that cars, electricty, knives, falling shards of glass, pencils, space heaters, elevators, fists, baseball bats, baseballs, and of course water can kill people too. That’ll be a lotta forms for us to fill out.
Redux quote
“ The worst problem of the 21st century is that many people want positions of leadership, but they don’t want to make difficult decisions ”
—Carlos Ghosn, President & CEO of Renault/Nissan, in an interview to Veja on the difficult decisions he had to make in order to save Nissan from bankrupcy
Never underestimate the power of a large number of stupid people.
(Saw it on a tee shirt)
>>We need protection from Al Queda, et al, as well as from the
>>hard-core Christian militants festering like a cancer within our
>>own borders.
Only the Christian ones? Should we ignore those, like Timothy McVeigh, who profess agnosticism?
You know you can lay the blame on all of this reactionary, do what ever it takes to be safe crap on the anti-gun crowd.
Let’s ban certain guns because they look like military weapons was the so stupid it was funny.
Keep in mind, its not just chicken farmers that will be effected by this, anyone with more than 7500 lbs of propane will need to fill out this form and from what I hear pay a hefty annual fee to continue to keep propane on their premises.
Our family farm uses propane to dry corn for storage, as do many others, this will not only be an inconvenience for us but for many small farms the fee will directly cut into the already tight budgets.
#7 No, not just the Christian ones. I am terribly sorry to have implied that. I only meant to point out that there are home-grown American terrorists that DHS needs to protect us against.
I had just read an article about evangelical ministers advocating a violent response to the evil they see in secular America and so it was fresh on my mind.
My sincere apologies to my fellow Christians herein.
#3 – Moyo,
We deserve the president we voted for in 2000. We didn’t get him though, we got the loser, literally.
if they wanna monitor propane usage, why not just wiretap the propane suppliers’ accounting systems? they’re spending zillions wiretapping everything else anyway. hahahahahahahaha
oh, just because you call it a fee doesn’t mean it ain’t a tax and this is a tax and it was put in place by people who ostensibly support american farmers and lower taxes
more conservative taxation brought to you by the borrow-and-spend conservatives at BushCo. you conservatives must be so proud.
#12 — oh yeah i forgot to mention — the petrochemical industry is super-buddy-buddy with bushco anyway, surely they would have no problem sharing purchasing and customer data with the stasi, er, i mean dhs.
#7 – MM,
Sorry, from wikipedia, Timothy McVeigh was not an agnostic, at least not self-professed. I’m not sure who else can determine that someone is an agnostic if they do not claim to be.
http://tinyurl.com/2av92w
After his parents’ divorce, McVeigh lived with his father, and his sisters moved to Florida with their mother. He and his father were devout Roman Catholics who often attended daily Mass. In a recorded interview with Time Magazine[3] he professed his belief in “a God”, though he said he had “sort of lost touch with” Catholicism and “never really picked it [back] up.” The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter claiming to be an agnostic[4], though his execution included a Roman Catholic ceremony.
I’m not sure why this is necessary. Where I live, I can watch far more than 7,500 pounds of propane pass by in tankers via the railroad every day of the week.
Don’t the people shipping the propane know where it’s going? Couldn’t they tell DHS who’s buying it and storing it? Why bug the farmers and charge fees to the farmer end-users?
This seems terribly inefficient and unnecessarily expensive for the farmers. On the other hand, I suppose it’s a good deal for some big corporations…
Do you folks propose we drop monitoring of large purchases of explosives too?
After all, no one wants to be inconvenienced.
who cares if mcveigh found god or not? he bombed a day care center!!! he was sick, twisted and evil and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be packed up and shipped to gitmo with the rest of the terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.
#15 — exactly, and well put
Chicken shit!
Couldn’t resist!
#14 – surely you wouldn’t require anything approaching verifiable fact from the (capital “G”) god brigade?
It’s a PeTA conspiracy!
#20 Are you saying you support McVeigh’s actions? It has been made abundantly clear by the Right-Wing in this nation that anyone who attempts to say anything that could remotely be construed as positive about any terrorist is an act of Treason — Be careful Big Brother is listening.
#21 – Angel,
This PETA or the other one?
http://tinyurl.com/ysteqk
2, Points.
1. the US gov has acknowledged that it can only protect this nation at a 10% coverage. Get your gun billy, we’s going hunting…
2. Just a hypothetical thought…
I will give you the conditions. Can you THINk of a interesting senerio.
Day wheat, dry forests, dry crops all ready to harvest, DRY unwatered BLM lands, DRY parks, Dry feed grains…
#17, grog:
he was sick, twisted and evil and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be packed up and shipped to gitmo with the rest of the terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.
Wow, such compassion and reason. I’m sure the Founding Fathers would be proud…
And imagine the response if someone were to claim the ones who hijacked the jets on 9/11/01 were Christians. People would be outraged! It’s no different if someone wrongly accuses McVeigh of being an atheist/agnostic/whatever.
>>I had just read an article about evangelical ministers
>>advocating a violent response to the evil they see in
>>secular America
If those “ministers” are evangelists for anything, it’s the forces of evil.
>>Sorry, from wikipedia, Timothy McVeigh was not an agnostic,
>>at least not self-professed.
Weren’t you part of the contingent that was lampooning folks for using “Wiki-whatever” as a citation? Har!
And Timothy McVeigh certainly WAS an agnostic, and a sel-professed one at that. From the article cited (Reference #4) in the very Wikipedia entry you linked to (which ALSO says that McVeigh stated he was an agnostic, in case you didn’t actually read it):
“In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would “improvise, adapt and overcome”, if it turned out there was an afterlife. “If I’m going to hell,” he wrote, “I’m gonna have a lot of company.””
>>surely you wouldn’t require anything approaching verifiable
>>fact from the (capital “G”) god brigade?
The point here, GoGo Girl, in case you missed it, is that AT THE TIME McVEIGH WAS BOMBING, HE WAS A SELF-PROFESSED AGNOSTIC. Who gives a fuck what he thought before or after? Stalin grew up going to seminary school. But AT THE TIME HE SLAUGHTERED HIS COUNTRYMEN (and WOMEN), he was an Atheist.
#27 – MM, No. I wasn’t. Check your records.
#28 – MM,
Stalin grew up going to seminary school. But AT THE TIME HE SLAUGHTERED HIS COUNTRYMEN (and WOMEN), he was an Atheist.
And a communist. And the largest paranoid that ever walked the planet. He killed for his ideology and his mental illness.
#27 – MM,
I read that statement differently. My understanding from the wikipedia article was that they were not convinced of the validity of the claim made in The Guardian and were merely acknowledging the claim.