Are chicken houses the next battleground in the war on terror?
Poultry growers are squawking mad over proposed regulations from the Department of Homeland Security that anybody with 7,500 pounds or more of propane gas register with the agency. The threshold is low enough that poultry farmers who use propane to heat chicken houses in the winter may be affected.
“It would affect almost all of us,” said Jenny Rhodes, who has 80,000 roasters in Centreville. She criticized the proposal to fill out “hellacious forms” and register farmers’ propane use.
“I could think of a lot easier, better targets” for terrorists than chicken farms, groused Richard Lobb, spokesman for the National Chicken Council.
1. Why do we have fools in charge who think every tough question can be solved by filling out a form?
2. Why do we have fools in charge who see no difference between a chemical plant and a chicken farm?
Inspiration courtesy of KB
#17 First, I’m not supporting McVeigh in any way BUT if you put a day care center in what would be an otherwise legitimate target (which a federal building is if you are fighting the federal government) you are going to have some collateral damage. We bitch when other nations/groups for doing exactly the same thing.
#27 – MM,
This interview seems to indicate that he still believed in god at the time.
http://tinyurl.com/cza2s
However, in all cases, one must look at the real reason behind the act, rather than simply belief or non-belief in god. It appears that he was mostly trying to get revenge for Waco, TX, a minor religious sect/cult.
He also had a strong anti-government bias. Perhaps he did this out of another ideology. Either way, he didn’t say “I bombed the building because I doubted the existence of god.” Nor did he say, “god made me do it.” So I think in his case, god was not an issue.
It sounds to me as if he was just an anarchist striking out against the government. Again though, this is an ideology, not a lack thereof. People kill for a lot of reasons. Non-belief is never one of them.
>>MM, No. I wasn’t. Check your records.
OK, my bad then. I’ve been badgered by so many people (including you) for so many things, I have lost track.
>>And a communist. And the largest paranoid that ever walked
>>the planet. He killed for his ideology and his mental illness.
Oh, yeah. Right. Just like George Bush sent kids to die in Iraq because he was a “Republican”, not because “God told him to”. I guess it was just bad luck that “believers” were targeted so effectively?
>>and were merely acknowledging the claim.
Well, since McVeigh was the one who made the claim (that he’s an agnostic) about HIMSELF, and in writing to boot, I kind of think that lends the “claim” a little face validity, no?
>>This interview seems to indicate that he still believed
>>in god at the time.
Weeeeellll, that interview was given just before his trial started, and he freely admits that he doesn’t want to get into too much detail lest people “alienate” themselves from him.
There may have been a little self-serving activity at play there, hoping for a more sympathetic jury.
When he wasn’t under the gun though, he professed himself to be an agnostic.
In any case, I think it’s clear that some people are just brutal, violent, murdering fuckheads. And they’ll come up with any excuse to kill, be it in the “name of God”, in order to kill those who believe in God, or to resolve Daddy Issues with their father, the former president.
#35 – MM,
On that we agree completely. There are definitely people that are as you describe them.
There are also people who read scripture literally and become “brutal, violent, murdering fuckheads” due to their reading of the scriptures.
>>There are also people who read scripture literally and become
>>“brutal, violent, murdering fuckheads” due to their reading of
>>the scriptures.
There’s no denying that.
Rodney King’s dream comes true once again. We really CAN all just get along.
(AP) 22 August – A chicken exploded this morning causing extensive damage to the surrounding area. Three roosters and a guinea pig were injured. There were no fatalities.
#38 – hhopper,
Even the chicken survived the explosion??!!?
I think the chicken exploded in anger.
#7 – Only the Christian ones? Should we ignore those, like Timothy McVeigh, who profess agnosticism?
I had no idea that McVeigh wasn’t a Christian, and I actually doubt that he wasn’t, but I agree… Militia nuts are potential terrorists. The KKK is a terrorist organization. Why aren’t they being rounded up?
But Agnostics are just theists walking on the edge of reason, but lacking the courage to go all the way. I say, take a side, or sit down.
>>But Agnostics are just theists walking on the edge of
>>reason, but lacking the courage to go all the way.
And what exactly is your “side”, OFTLO
>>I had no idea that McVeigh wasn’t a Christian
You learn something new every day, OFTLO. That the great thing about having an open mind.
#23
The other one, the one filled with butt ugly women who uses big breasted canadian women as a curtain to hide themselves.
“Why do we have fools in charge who see no difference between a chemical plant and a chicken farm?”
Do you mean the difference between a chemical weapons factory and a Sudanese aspirin factory?
MM just to fill you in on some details you’ve overlooked.
Catholics once confirmed are catholics for life unless they renounce or are excommunicated. Ergo McVeigh was a Catholic(Christian) when he bombed all those people 😀
Live with it.
I find it, somewhat, interesting that you folks let other MOVE the comments from 1 point into another just by one comment…
Keep it up, and you will solve NOTHING.
45,
sounds like the Mormans to me.
Nothing is ever solved here ECA this is all fun and games.
Anyone determined enough will find a way to blow shit up. Pissing said people off will not help.. Nor will alienating your own populus. Do we really want to play Whack-A-Mole to the last man?
So you can’t buy large amounts of ____ anymore..
So buy small amounts of ____ and stockpile it..
The rulemakers seem to be afraid of themselves.
>>Ergo McVeigh was a Catholic(Christian) when he
>>bombed all those people 😀
You’d make a good Philadelphia lawyer, skybird (or a lawyer for the Catholic church).
I guess I’m a more trusting individual, and when somebody PROCLAIMS HIMSELFf to be an agnostic, I take his word for it. And I KNOW he’s acting on the basis of his agnostic belief system, regardless of what the Pope’s lawyers might be able to snooker a jury of 12 into in a courtroom.
Deal with it.
I still don’t see why this matters or why another thread has been hijacked in the name of this absolutely stupid debate over who blindly worships who.
Okay… You win Mustard… Timothy McViegh was an agnostic… Which means that he wasn’t certain if there was or was not a god. It surely doesn’t align him with a religion, and his reasons for committing a horrible act of terrorism were political and not related to any religion anyway…
So what does it matter?
#32, Gig,
We don’t agree on much, but I agree whole heartedly with your post here. As always though, it is the winners that get to write the history.
#50, OFTLO,
I was about to make a similar spew. WHO the eff CARES about his religion. He bombed the Federal building as revenge for the Branch Davidians in Waco. I don’t know if that counts as political or “pay back”.