A judge has ordered a lesbian mother to hand over her two daughters to their father because, he said, her homosexuality would harm them and “raised the risk” that the girls would also become lesbians, press reports said on Monday.
Judge Fernando Ferrin Calamita, who heard the case at a court in the eastern region of Murcia, also said the woman could keep custody of the children if she found another male partner.
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Yeah, shameful. Fortunately this judge is the exception, and it’s already being investigated …
#1 phew. Talk about retarded. I’m sure many parts of the US (bible belt) would think like this. Just look at the gay marriage fiasco’s.
How stupid to think you can “raise” homosexuality, it either happens or it doesn’t. There’s plenty of “cases” where the child is raised in the most appropriate settings – and still becomes gay.
Songs have been on this subject.
The retarded part is people thinking you can “catch” homosexuality, as if it was cancer or leprosy.
I guess nobody has enough hindsight to realize that just about every gay person came from a mommy and daddy.
So… he was such a shitty husband that she turned gay?
LOL SNAP!!!
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
The Inquisiiiition… What a show. The Inquisiiiiition… Here we go…
Shouldn’t we be quiet and give christian tradition the respect it deserves?
#6 – Hear that? I’m pissing on christian tradition right now. all over its face.
It’s been proven that an overwhelming percentage of all gays are homosexual.
I hope this judge can be fired for such a discriminatory ruling.
#9 – pedro,
What’s it like living in the dark ages?
Even if you were right, a point I would not concede about it being simple behavior, it is simple behavior that is rampant in the animal kingdom, including humans, many birds, apes, wolves, and many others. What’s the big deal?
Are you worried that if more people become homosexual that we might NOT overpopulate the planet? Are you worried that you might observe some people on the street kissing and be motivated to follow suit? Do you genuinely believe that there is something more important in child rearing than being raised in a loving household regardless of the parents’ sexuality?
I’m guessing that you have some slight latent homosexual tendency that you have not yet come to terms with. Most people are neither 100% homosexual nor 100% heterosexual. Many of us lean strongly enough in one direction or the other not to take action the other way. But, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And, it doesn’t make you a bad person if you have some slight feelings that way. I’m not suggesting that you take action, just come to terms with it. It’s natural and no big deal.
Pedro,
Since my initial post has dissapeared (wtf?) I will simply state this.
Homosexuality is genetic. It is not a habit. It’s not a choice. Same as Hetrosexuality.
Did you ask to like the opposite sex? Did you wake up one morning and go “allright, today I’m gonna like me some womens!”
Probably not. Chances are that you experienced exactly what other people experienced. Little Sally gave you a kiss on the cheek one day and your pants started to feel several sizes to small for some odd reason beyond your cognitive abilities at the time.
I’d imagine that if hetrosexuals like myself never have the opportunity to choose wether we like the opposite sex or not, then homosexuals don’t have it either.
[Duplicate post. – ed.]
If homosexuality isn’t a choice, why do so many people talk about “experimenting” with it?
#14 – pedro,
I didn’t say it’s not genetic. I merely took the tack of arguing that even if you were right …
Actually, there is strong evidence that it is all or mostly genetic. That said, that doesn’t mean that everyone is 100% either way. So, that doesn’t contradict any evidence of source.
Experimenting, though I never really have heard anyone speak about it in real conversation, only in contexts like this where they are referring to others, could be explained by the number of people for whom sexuality is not 100% one way or the other.
Yes, love is not the only thing you have to give your kids, just as a poster in another thread said that sex is not the only thing a marriage is about. And all those things are as important as love.
This might have had more impact if you had actually given some examples of these important things that one gives one’s child that cannot be given equally well by either a gay or a straight parent. I can’t think of anything truly important to a child that can only be given by a heterosexual.
[Duplicate post. – ed.]
#9, by your logic the parents of most gays today must actually be gay (regardless of how straight they appear to be), since otherwise how could their kids be gay?
I wonder what Dick Cheney would think of that logic! hmmm…….Dick, the big gay bear has a certain “ring” to it. 😉
WTF is up with the kind-a-capcha recently? It takes forever to load, and then my first post went through even though I never even made it to the captha page!
Boss-dudes – please fix it – it’s frickin annoying!!
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“Actually, there is strong evidence that it is all or mostly genetic”
Actually, there is no evidence of any genetic connection.
There is, however, a strong psychological connection. I’m actually suprised the gay community didn’t go that route in the quest for special rights. It would have been much easier to declare homoism as a disability. Instead, they march on pretending to be a large enough percentage of the population so as to be considered “normal.”
#12, And what gene would that be? Seems like natural selection would have done away with it a while back.
You see this!?! This is George Bush’s Amerika!!!! Arrrrgghhh….. oh, wait…. sorry.
Looks like there are still remnants of the Franco dictatorship in Spain.
#9
With that kind of retrograde though, it’s no wonder Venezuelans deserve Chavez even more.
#19 – the captcha is back? I havent seen it in months, since it was “gotten rid of”
It is too bad judges in the US do not show this type of good moral judgment. I think he has hit on a good precedent that should be upheld in every case of this nature.
Children should be raised in a traditional family environment and not be exposed to virulent homosexual behavior in the early developmental stages of life.
pedro, a number of us are waiting to hear you explain what logic is so hard said at #19…
I’ll take the liberty of reframing to ensure you understand;
YOU said:
Uh-huh… Therefore, by your “reasoning,” since children emulate their parents, then homosexuals emulated their homosexual parents.
If you will now explain how two men or two women can bear children, we’d all be happy to learn something new…
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Here’s a clue, pedro, since I see it’s been a while since you’ve been to the Clue Store;
Since the dawn of history, children rebel against – NOT emulate – their parents. The largest group of kids from Generations X and XI who abjure use or abuse of drugs are the product of drug-using ex-hippie parents.
Sorta knocks your “theory” into a cocked hat, doesn’t it?
Based on the number of negative comments (religion sucks, lesbians are fine people, it’s bush’s fault, etc) – the woman has the right to the child. She can be involved in a lesbian relationship (genetics or lifestyle choice), be a whore, a crack user, etc… it apparently doesn’t make a difference. Sheesh…
The Judge made the right call. Given EQUAL RIGHTS rights between a man and a woman in regard to child-rearing – the traditional family unit MUST always be the right decision. The issue here is about a man’s right to raise his children and NOT have every case ruled in favor of a woman by default despite the sensationalistic headline that so many quickly fall for.
#30 Equating gays with prostitutes and crack users is truly ignorant & bigoted. Clearly, you & this judge don’t know any gay people or the ones you know are as screwed up as you two.
“the traditional family unit MUST always be the right decision” You’re stuck in Ozzie & Harriet archetypes. And, off course, since this Dad is now single, he will certainly not provide a “traditional family” for the child.
The real issue in custody turns on whether the child can have the stability, love and protection he or she needs. Gayness is not a proxy for instability, indifference and insecurity. By failing to look at the facts of the case, beyond this one issue of sexuality, he dis-serves the children.
Finally concerning “bush’s fault”, George W certainly had no problems with Cheney’s gay daughter having kids. But I guess a guy like you would strip her of her child in pursuit of some bizarre goal of “tradition” just as this judge stripped the mother of her children. Now that’s deeply sick.
#27
Yeah, I’m gay and I don’t get a hardon for women.
#31 – Nerve hit… much? Didn’t mean to make you cry. Sorry about that.
According to your logic, “when in Rome…”, right? Well there are alot of children that don’t want to do the Rome thing. It makes them naturally uncomfortable and many recoil at being subjected daily to homosexual relationships. They have as much right as the parents in cases like these.
There’s also the obvious matter of a woman marrying a man under false pretenses (which you decide to gloss over). If she’s homosexual, then she’s a liar to begin with in something as important as marriage. She may also have been extremely manipulative. This marriage never had a chance because of the decision she made. It doesn’t speak well for her at all. If she’s bisexual or made a lifestyle choice – she’s already pretty screwed up anyway.
Equal rights for both a father and mother in child custody cases is also an important issue that should never be overlooked. Feel free to overlook this as well.
In any case, the rights of the child must always be addressed. The judge did exactly that. He choose a household better suited for impressionable children and considered (possibly) some of the points I made above.
fyi… I do know quite a few gay people (being from NY). The points I made above do not mean I hate homosexuals (because apparently that’s the only other alternative according to you). I do not, however, feel comfortable being exposed to homosexuals acts nor would I want my children being exposed to homosexuals acts. I make no apologies for that nor do many other heterosexuals.
…you may now feel free to begin the name calling again. Cheers!