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founding fathers and original intent both uniformily misstated and misapplied. Sean Hannity really is about the worst of carbuncles I run into while channel surfing, and even he doesn’t “always” support BushCo.
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Got any Ben Franklin comics?
#5 – Improbus,
Don’t they put them on the backs of C notes?
Wow, you “liberals” must feel special that the one area of Jefferson’s political philosophy you agree with also makes for a clever cartoon.
#7
So you’re saying that Thomas Jefferson is a Liberal?
#8, Jefferson isn’t anything; he’s been dead for quite some time. 😀
#7 whats with the “L” word? Jefferson’s political philosophy also included the Bill of Rights, something it seems the “conservatives” have trouble with these days
#10, since the cartoon in question deals with an item in the Bill of Rights, your point is moot.
Yeah, fuck Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams, and the rest of those commie pinkos.
If Hannity says it and O’Reilly confirms it, it’s the New Gospel.
Loofah scrub, anyone?
#12, the same John Adams who, with his Federalist buddies in Congress, enacted the Alien and Sedition Acts in part to help silence his political opponents?
If you’re equating hanity to Adams, then I think that says it all.
Let me know when hanity actually does anything for the country. Like serve in the Armed Forces, maybe backup his mouth by putting his body on the line.
Maybe you can too.
#14, ha!, it sure is fun to make assumptions about what people, who you don’t know, have done through anonymous internet posts, isn’t it? 😀
#14 – Let me know when hanity actually does anything for the country. Like serve in the Armed Forces, maybe backup his mouth by putting his body on the line.
I’d be happy if he backed up his mouth with a fact every now and then… But he can’t… Because he’s liar and blowhard jack ass ultra right wing nationalist, and it is his kind, the black-hearted jackbooted jingoists, who are tearing apart our great liberal nation.
#15 – #14, ha!, it sure is fun to make assumptions about what people, who you don’t know, have done through anonymous internet posts, isn’t it?
How is that different from any of the other assumptions made around here be you, others, and even myself? You surely aren’t going to be at the front of the stone casting line…
>>the same John Adams who, with his Federalist buddies in
>>Congress, enacted the Alien and Sedition Acts in part to
>>help silence his political opponents?
Jeez, SeaDog, if you didn’t like the A&S Acts, you must be absolutely batshit over the Patriot Act. Watch what you say now….your phone (and internet communications) may be bugged!!
Jefferson was pretty much known to be athiest, or at least play one on t.v., so why this would be a surprise to anyone is beyond me.
Fact is common law derived from canon law back in the home country, and canon law, while not coming from God was created by the clergy.
My degree is BCL, which has, since about 1760 meant Bachelor of Civil Law…..but before Henry VIII, was Bachelor of Canon Law……between 1550 and 1760, common law was taught, but not under that name….then in the 1800’s Oxford started teaching common law as common law, though the degree has remained BCL, Bachelor of Civil law…..which is actually the Masters degree(LLB) that everyone else teaches.
So, technically Jefferson was wrong, common law was essentially canon law for University purposes until the 1800’s….after Jeffersons death.
#18, joshua.
Bullshit.
Actually, all of the founding fathers were quite liberal. Whether they would be Liberals if alive today is more difficult to say. But, that is why the right wing thinks of the ACLU as an extreme liberal organization. It is. Our constitution is founded upon liberal values. Protecting it is a liberal thing to do. One of the things I hate about the Democratic party is that they were instrumental in killing the party I really liked, the Liberal party. The Dems didn’t want the competition. I still find them far less evil than the current Republican party, but less evil != not evil.
#16, who’s casting stones? I’m just having fun… this is the Internet after all.
#19…Fusion….put your head back in your ass old man.
#20, Whether they would be Liberals if alive today is more difficult to say.
I would wager to say probably not. They (most at least) were much more interested in government as a necessary tool to protect liberty of the individual from the encroachment of others (“If men were angels, no government would be necessary”). Modern progressive liberals see government as a means of projecting liberty through correcting what they see as inequality (as if liberty requires equality), which ironically makes the individual less free.
That is why I like using scare quotes when referring to progressives as “liberal.” But that’s also me being a smart ass.
#20….thats true. Though not in the sense we think of today as Liberal. The conservatives back then were most likely the folks who didn’t want independence, just justice from the homeland.
Our Constitution isn’t a God filled document, and considering the times that was a great accomplishment…..and the ideas espoused by the founders were not just Liberal but radical….the only other place on earth at the time expressing those views was revolutionary France.
Probably the least radical of the times was Washington.
18–Joshua–I accept what you say is true, as well as I do the cartoon quote from Jefferson. Jefferson obviously knew what you know so he must have meant something other than what you post?
ie–Is there any relevant distinction to be made between “Christianity” and “Cannon Law?” and if Cannon Law means the law of the Church ((Catholic, Protestant or both?)) I would assume it played into the Courts of Equity at the time but not the Law Courts and therefore “at best” Cannon Law would only have a small proportion of impact on the common law that we took from England?
Interesting stuff where we get our ideas.
This cartoon sets up a nice strawman argument…
If you want to study the origins of conservatism and liberalism, especially as they were defined at the time of the birth of the US, look at the writings of Edmund Burke (conservative philosopher) and David Hume (liberal philosopher).
But as #20 points out, things change. I believe the modern day liberal vs conservative debate can be defined as “sex” vs. “violence”
http://truthisgray.livejournal.com/1501.html
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
– Preamble of The Declaration of Independence
This sounds self explanatory to me.
This nation was founded by people who among many other things did not wish for their religious beliefs to be tampered with by the government.
American conservatives are so short-sighted that they are begging to have their rights of freedom of religion taken from them, by allowing the government to show favor for one religion over another.
Don’t be fooled you silly republicans — soon it will be illegal to worship anywhere but in Pentecostal temples.
I thought the U.S.A. was founded on the bedrock principle of LIBERTY. And isn’t one who believes in Liberty, a LIBERAL?