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Kind of digging way back to generate some controversy, aren’t we?
Seeing Frank reminds me, get your prostate checked.
“are you an anarchist?”
3 dipshits who think they’re scoring debating points with their lazy thinking listeners.
And yet, Novak continues to embarrass himself on Sunday TV 20 years later.
Look how young and presentable my hero Frank looks.
This clip is classic! Witness the birth of the neo-con movement.
Zappa vs Novak, even with backup, is just a horrible mis-match.
I had no idea that the “problem” of incest increased in the 80s to such dangerous proportions and that the cause of it was rock and roll. Seriously, when my mom was a kid her mother told her that rock and roll caused polio. I guess some things never change.
And Ian is right, the guy advocating for censorship was not a Conservative by any normal definition, he was a neocon. But back then we called them members of the Moral Majority. They wanted government out of their wallets, but on everyone else’s back.
#3 & 5 – No actually Ian is wrong. You two need to do some reading (I would start with the Weekly Standard, and you’ll notice they do not support censorship) so you’ll actually understand where, and in what context, the neo-conservative movement was established, along with what the ideology supports as acceptable policy for domestic/international relations. The founders of neo-conservatism do not support censorship, to say so highlights one’s own ignorance. Actually, they were liberals in the true sense of the word.
And before you launch into a “President Bush does this …” a lot of neo-conservatives have several objections when it comes to his policies.
God Bless Frank.
It’s a shame God wanted him for that party he threw in 1993. Too bad he didn’t take Milli Vanilli.
6. No actually mxpwr03 is wrong. He needs to do some reading (I would start with the the hairs on my ass and he’d notice they do support censorship) so he’d actually understand where, and in what context, the neo-conservative movement was not established, along with what the ideology supports as unacceptable policy for domestic/international relations. The founders of neo-conservatism do support censorship, to say no highlights one’s own knowledge. Actually, they were incestuous rapists in the true sense of the word.
And before you launch into a “Weird Al Yankovic does this …” a lot of neo-conservatives have no objections when it comes to his parodies.
Brilliant, just brilliant. We miss you Frank! I wish he was around still to help us with these trying times.
This is a classic.. and one I love.. Zappa was one of the greats.. what else can you say?
>>The founders of neo-conservatism do not support censorship,
Ha. Hahahah! Hahahahahahahhahaha! Will be be seeing you on SNL or Leno later this month? Last Comic Standing?
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this blog!!
#6, mxpwr03
It must be rough being such a personal failure. And I know you are still wondering who Frank Zappa was.
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Frank was the intellectual superior of all of them combined. I cherish the memory of him in concert in 1977. He was my introduction to jazz guitar.
I was at the gym tonite and over the PA system they were playing songs from Zappas’ Joes Garage. I couldnt believe it as this is a community family gym. And yet somehow, I was pleased.
words are cool. i like words.
Well, the issue was whether or not censorship of obscene lyrics should be passed by congress?
I am guessing the result was the ratings system we have today? Good compromise between two valid competing interests.
I googled Lofton, seems he is still around, reformed in some way, not interested enough to dig out the details.
Zappa is Pure Genius. Is that like putting Einstein in a room with some sugar hyped ten year olds? I’ve still a pristine copy of the very first “Mothers of Invention — Freak Out” double vinyl album. Not many here who would know about Suzie Creamcheese. Who could imagine? Nullis Pretii.
Kudos to Martin Higgens.
For those who remember the greatness:
http://www.zappa.com/
Ah – Chief Dipshit Robert Novac – the first words out of his idiotic mouth are a ridiculous strawman, naturally.
17—Nope. Novaks first question was completely legitimate as was Franks response. If by straw man you mean confusing videos with music, I think thats what made the discussion valuable==the WORDS of music versus the images of videos. A difference there, good to tease out the relevant issues.
They called it when they said the industry should take the job.
Incest? Government should intervene? He is an Anarchist because he wants a strict interpretation of the first amendment, just reading the words instead of fantasizing about what the founders might have been thinking?
I still hear that kind of garbage (no the incest stuff, however). We don’t have to look at who the founders were, just the document, that was their accomplishment. It’s the idea, not the men who make it, if the inventor of penicilin ate babies that wouldn’t make penicilin less quality.
Bah.
Smart guy that Frank Zappa was. Too bad he’s wrong here. And any discussion above that cowers from the inclusion of children in it can’t be taken too seriously.
But then my words don’t rhyme and aren’t set to acoustical notes, nor do I move my body parts in sync on a public stage, so what do I know?
RBG
19–Pretty much true, but you do kinda have to go back to the founders to find out what ideas were meant by the words that were written.
No modern American with a current dictionary has a clue as to what “pusuit of happiness” means. For that, you have to plumb the minds of the authors, as best we can. More often, you are right, the founders are just props for whatever loopy position someone wants to justify.
LOL – 4:40 – FREAKIN’ GODWINS LAW was even in this thing. I’d seen the start of this video on previous searches for Zappa but didn’t notice the lamest of the lame-duck arguments thrown into it. Mostly because these kinds of lame “talking points” shows are boringly repetitive. Pitty the “law” hadn’t been coined or widely bandied because that was a groaner moment of the highest order.
I currently have Franks” shut up and play your guitar” cd in my car player. Frank was a musical genus. A brilliant lyricist. But a flawed philosopher.My favorite example was his sitting holding a cigarette in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other all the while expounding on not doing drugs,
23—Whats your point? Coffee and cigarettes vs LSD and cocaine are exactly the same because they are drugs? Is that your point?
I always thought that I had something in common with a lot of the people here. Never occurred to me that it was Frank Zappa.
I have kids, I love them and want to protect them. I want to protect them from people who want to keep ideas away from them. It burns me up to hear some of the crap in music these days, but I’d never want anything to suppress the ideas and words in that music, unless it were just plain old lack of demand. Zappa, definitely right!
I think the most disturbing part of this is when Zappa said he gives hope to kids by telling them to vote and be active participants in government, and the Washington Times guy treats that like total hogwash. If telling young people that they can make a difference to society isn’t giving them hope, then what the hell is?
If they ever wrote a law banning certain words, wouldn’t they have to publish those words in a public record and then tell everyone what words they weren’t allowed to say? How would they do that if the words were banned?
Just wondering…..
29—Respect? Why don’t you respect anyone elses freedom to say and hear about things YOU want to keep from them? The RESPECTFUL response to bad ideas is not censorship but MORE SPEECH.
I thought this was well understood by people that could read and write? I guess the price for freedom really is eternal vigilence.
This video reminds me of a certain philosophical interpretation of the three evil powers (the dragon, beast and false prophet) that are to dominate the world just before the end of everything in the book of Revelation. The spirit and chief preoccupation of those who embrace the dragon philosophy is to be free of all restraint, including believing in and having respect for God. Then there is another great evil power that strives against all that the dragon stands for. The false prophet uses coercion and deception to compel the world to engage in pretended reverence, false worship and to pay homage to antichrist.