The sun’s changing energy levels are not to blame for recent global warming and, if anything, solar variations over the past 20 years should have had a cooling effect, scientists said on Wednesday.
They concluded that the rapid rise in global mean temperatures seen since the late 1980s could not be ascribed to solar variability, whatever mechanism was invoked.
Britain’s Royal Society — one of the world’s oldest scientific academies, founded in 1660 — said the new research was an important rebuff to climate change skeptics.
“At present there is a small minority which is seeking to deliberately confuse the public on the causes of climate change. They are often misrepresenting the science, when the reality is that the evidence is getting stronger every day,” it said in a statement.
Politics alone required this latest bit of cul-de-sac research. There were only a couple of scientists advancing the solar thesis; but, every wacko defender of the petroleum religion leapt upon the possibility as another divine revelation in the copout gospel.
And another one bites the dust.
Does “logic” play into this at all?
When you burn stuff you get CO2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas trapping heat. We have been buring stuff at increasing rates for 250 years. The earth can absorb and moderate low levels of CO2 but over time is overwhelmed by the billions of tons of CO2 being put in the air.
So, logically the earth “should be” warming up. There would have to be overwhelming proof that increasing levels of CO2 were somehow not causing warming. At best, there is only a minority opinion among experts that it is not happening. Logic demands that we accept that CO2 is causing global warming.
Only open issue is how to respond to it without destroying our economy. For those of you who love the economy more than the lives of your grandchildren, the longer you wait, the greater the harm AND there is money to be made coming up with the CO2 attenuating technology.
I could be flip and say who can “prove” its not getting colder? But the fact of using our atmosphere as a dumping ground for CO2 wont go away.
Irrational faith based thinking takes place in more areas than just religion.
I admit i’m a fence sitter as far as global warming and climate change are concerned. That’s not to say that I’m pro pollution or self centered as grog implied. In fact I’ve been leaving a small footprint all of my life, long before it was fashionable. My family of 5 recycle, save energy, avoid overly packaged goods and buy in bulk, compost 80% of household waste, grow my own vegetables when possible, and use very little gasoline.
But I have to wonder at all the hyperventilating going on over the climate. We’ve been taking measurements for 150 years, and a we have an apparent degree or two over 20 years . Compare that to how old the earth is, or vthe last ice age or the last warm trend.
Read this article on sun spots from NOAA’s National Weather Service Weather Forecast Office. Here’s a excerpt: “Ultraviolet radiation increases dramatically during high sunspot activity, which can have a large effect on the Earth’s atmosphere. From the mid 1600s to early 1700s, a period of very low sunspot activity (known as the Maunder Minimum) coincided with a number of long winters and severe cold temperatures in Western Europe, called the Little Ice Age. ”
So until all the pro’s can agree without government or special interest groups interfering I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing and live responsibly.
# 38 Your logic is flawed Tell me, what are the major sources of CO2? FYI it isn’t fossil fuels or the burning there of. In fact, CO2 is a very minor green house gas.
40–Coal.
# 41 WRONG, try again.
What source of green house gas do you admit to?
More lunacy from the left. Families should have no more than two children
http://tinyurl.com/2vhs93
“FYI the oil companies are behind the global warming hysteria, they’ll make a lot of money as a result.”
ROFLMAO You have got to be kidding! That is far and away the most inaccurate ignorant and completely asinine argument I have ever read on this topic.
The way to fight global warming is to cut down on gasoline, and invest in renewable sources like solar, wind, geothermic, wave power, etc. The oil companies stand to lose billions if we adapt such a plan.
Forget it S&B, you have completely disqualified yourself as a reliable source.
42—Yep, Coal. Mostly for the production of electricity.
http://tinyurl.com/bt9oo
#43. One major volcanic eruption produces more carbon dioxide then the use of fossil fuels, including coal, humans have used over the past 100 years. Please start a fund to put a large cork in Mt. St. Helens.
48–Even if true, thats only MORE of a reason to reduce/eliminate/reverse carbon dumping.
Very foolish to make an argument against your own position and not even recognize it.
>>Tell me, what are the major sources of CO2?
>>FYI it isn’t fossil fuels or the burning there of.
Let me guess: It’s a by-product of fermentation when you mix up another batch of hillbilly moonshine?
Watch out fer them revenooers, S&B. They want to tax your God-given right to make corn squeezin’s. Damned liberals.
48—I actually thought you were going to be clever and say it was methane gas from cows or termites.
Volcanoes is a posterboy example of how wrong anit-warming advocates are. Wipe that goo off your shoes and out of your eyes.
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html
>>One major volcanic eruption produces more carbon
>>dioxide then the use of fossil fuels, including coal,
>>humans have used over the past 100 years.
Haw. HAW HAW HAW! Now THAT is funny!! I notice you didn’t provide any citation for that ridiculous urban myth. The usual figure cited by pawns of the military/ industrial complex is ‘more than a decade’. But you took it to a new level of ridiculosity by claiming ONE HUNDRED YEARS.
As usual, either way, it’s bullshit. Just like the rest of your so called “facts”.
http://tinyurl.com/v4x23
In case you’ve already had too much corn squeezin’s to read the link, let me summarize the key point:
“The sum total of all volcanoes emit CO2 at a rate about 1/150th that of anthropogenic emissions.”
Try again. Or are you ready to give up and squeal like a pig?
52—I got “Rock Videos” with your link. S&B must be listening to Linbarf to figure out how to destroy this liberal cabal. Gee, all the ditto heads agree on his facts.
Curious as to this “information” age we are in. Are there any websites that site volcanoes as a problem or is it really just talk radio saying it and idiots repeating it?
#52, your link has nothing to do with the topic, http://rockmusicfind.com/?rid=715450
Perhaps this will help.
http://www.radix.net/~bobg/faqs/scq.CO2rise.html
53 – Huh. That’s what I get for trusting that Windoze would copy the link to my clipboard. Let’s try again:
Citation to prove S&B is full of shit:
http://tinyurl.com/v4x23
And I looked for some evidence that volcanos are a serious source of greenhouse gasses. Other than unsubstantiated DittoHead rambling, not a thing. I’m actually more concerned about the methane gas emitted when that guy produces his verbal eructations…
>>45% – 50% solar, the rest is up to us.
Hey, what about the volcanos? Or should we assume (gasp) that Stars and Bars is bullshitting us again?
Col Mustard were you demoted. This site has a graph. Even you should be able to understand a graph.
http://tinyurl.com/m3zxs
54—Your site is consistent with the others provided:
“For instance, both volcanic CO2 and CO2 removal via
silicate weathering are in the order of 0.1 GtC/year and play a role
on geologic time scales only [Butcher, chapter 11] [Sundquist]”
So, your own facts go directly against your position.
Please tell us you will “think about” your position?
Stars and Bars, please check the re-posted link. I’m sorry I didn’t find something designed for 5-11 year-olds like your site, but the results from all of them are pretty much the same.
Volcanos don’t do squat.
Next?
You will need to ignore the opinion and concentrate on the facts presented on the site. http://www.radix.net/~bobg/faqs/scq.CO2rise.html
I know it will be a challenge but you can do it.
The second link is something you can understand. We must start with small steps.
I know it’s your religion but you must not worship false gods.
Well, S&B, even with your own simpleton links, you seem able to read them and come to EXACTLY THE WRONG CONCLUSION. To wit:
“Time and again, some people claim that human activities are only
a minor source of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) which is swamped by natural sources. Compared to natural sources, our contribution is small indeed. Yet, the seemingly small human-made or `anthropogenic’ input is enough to disturb the delicate balance. ”
Are you beginning to see the light, or has all that moonshine clouded your judgement??
And elsewhere on that SAME site (the one YOU posted):
“In short, something has to give. Monkeying with earth’s radiation
balance will change the climate in some way. Earth’s surface will most probably warm,”
Jeez, you oughta stick with Rush Limbaugh, or sites funded by the petroleum industry. At least they would AGREE with you.
#60, Mister Mustard, this might be interesting:
“Volcanic eruptions can enhance all three of these climate effects to variable degrees. They contribute to ozone depletion, as well as to both cooling and warming of the earth’s atmosphere.”
From San Diego State (SDSU) [and quite a nice site]:
http://tinyurl.com/f6xv8
63—Interesting it is:
“Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions.”
Which is what every website so far has said including those provided by S&B. One last shot===S&B–just read your own websites. They say volcanoes don’t add squat. Why argue against the only facts there are?
The issue is CO2 and Global Warming. The sites notes that humans produce very little CO2 when compared to that which occurs naturally.
There is no conclusive proof that CO2 contributes to Global Warming. It is a minor green house gas.
Water vapor is the largest green house gas and accounts for up to 66% of the greenhouse effect.
BTW are all of these 2660 Physicists, Geophysicists, Climatologists, Meteorologists, Oceanographers, and Evironmental Scientists on the dole of the big oil companies?
http://www.oism.org/pproject/a_sci.htm
Don’t think so.
Did you read this article?
http://www.oism.org/pproject/review.pdf
Didn’t think so.
Both sides of this discussion are out to lunch. FYI, it’s not 40 years of data is meaningless in relation to the time span required to determine the cause and effects of earth’s climate. It’s laughable. It’s like giving one second of data on cancer and claiming you know what causes it.
#64, “Volcanic eruptions enhance the haze effect to a greater extent than the greenhouse effect, and thus they can lower mean global temperatures.” [from quoted SDSU article in post #63].
Cool, huh ? [Pun? what pun?]
#66 Thank you JimR,
I invite you to read the article.
#65, Stars & Bars, “There is no conclusive proof that CO2 contributes to Global Warming. It is a minor green house gas.”
Where did you read that??
“On the global scale, Venus’s climate is strongly driven by the most powerful greenhouse effect found in the Solar System.”
From ESA Venus Express probe:
http://tinyurl.com/266lsr