Apparently one of the guys who saw it all decided to “tell all” after his death. Is the affidavit a hoax? I mean, would the government lie about such things?
However this changed in 2000. Haut gave a lengthy recorded oral history with researchers Wendy Connors and Dennis Balthauser, people he knew well and trusted. Haut stipulated the interview was not to be released until after his death. (Haut died in December 2005). In the interview Haut first disclosed he saw the craft and small bodies in one of the hangars. He also disclosed that Gen. Roger Ramey, one of the architects of the weather balloon cover-up, had flown in for the staff morning meeting on July 8, and helped decide on how to deal with the situation.
found by Mark McCullough
I thought this article was a bit of a “slam dunk” for the idea that something did happen at Roswell.
Then I did a Google search for this guy, and he’s been saying basically the same thing for the past 50 years.
He wrote a press release, IIRC, in 1947, saying that they had recovered a disc like object at Roswell. Quickly, the air force released the “weather balloon” reports.
Since then, this guy has been a pro-UFO supporter, but without as much detail. In fact, a GIS shows pictures of him with his car and the license plate reads, “MR UFO.”
Now, does that mean he was lying and delusional all these years? No.
It simply means that this affidavit is consistent with the stuff he’s been saying for years. I don’t know if his comments were discredited or what. I just know that this isn’t a super-duper new bombshell. It’s a statement from a guy who for years has been saying the same thing.
I agree with 加盟创业投资 !
Besides a few obvious spelling mistakes #1 is dead on.
I’m extremely honked that those jerks won’t let me fly it.
#3, chewy, I found only one spelling error: ???”??? 🙂
What was the Royal Australian Air Force doing in Roswell in 1947?
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#7: I thought duplicate postings weren’t allowed.
Reminds me of a local fellow who could be heard calling Art Bell late at night or early in the morning on Coast to Coast.
The local caller had a very distinctive raspy voice.
“Art I live by the river and almost every night UFO return”
This went on for repeated calls.
The caller said that he had it all figured out.
The UFOS were there to take away the girls at a nearby school for “breeding”.
He had it all worked out . Art Bell was sure that this was the proof of high level government voverup a.k..a intelligence aka Roswelll aka Roswell official government coverup from the US miliitary establishment.
It turned out in the end that the local fellow was shortsighted.
What he was seeing was not UFOs or extrarerrestrial craft but the reflection of the halogren lamps of the school parking lot reflecting and shining on the river water.
RAAF = Roswell Army Air Force.
#8 – Your line of thought proves that an “Earthly” explanation can be made. Well done.
8. So you are saying those not so clever locals were in charge of the only nuclear facility in existence at the time? And they could not tell if they were Chinese? Huh?
#8 So, let me get this straight, the people responsible for a B-52 wing and dozens of nuclear weapons at the Roswell AFB mistake a Chinese jet for a “flying saucer”, then send their press man to write a story about it. . .well, I can understand how the government would want to cover that up, because that would be damn scary, though I don’t think people that dumb would be capable of tying their shoes, let alone directing an Air Force base and flying nuclear bombers. In fact, that makes the Air Force story, you know, the one where the weather balloon filled with dummies from the Mogul program (that didn’t begin until the late 50’s, incidentally) was mistaken by large numbers of people, including the aforementioned USAF personal, as an alien spacecraft and their occupants.
As for what this individual said previously, having read a few of the articles in the British and Australian press about this revelation(rather than posting off hand like most people here do), it seems that he was pretty close lipped for all of these years. He kept his oaths, but they only extended to his death. Now we have to explain this (apparently consistent with other witness testimony) story about a live alien. You know, because ‘ol Walt was making ASIMO like animatronics for the Mogul program in the 50’s, which then travelled back in time to deceive those silly rubes out in the desert in ’47.
“I mean, would the government lie about such things?”
I’m sure you meant that as a joke, and it was indeed a funny one.
Just in time for the 60th anniversary UFO festival in Roswell NM!
Which I hope to attend. Thanks for the post. It should spice things up a bit.
Yes, they pick up our RF emanations, from many light-years away and immediately come running to check us out.
Once they get here, they’re all, for some bizarre reason, utterly incapable of finding their way to New York, LA, or any other obvious major population center, and instead head immediately for the deserts of the American SW, where there’s no one to be found.
Ya. Of course. Makes perfect sense to me.
14, Why New York, or LA? Broadway play? How about the birthplace of nuclear weapons?
Yeah, that’s an ideal action, Lauren; let’s go frighten those barely cognizant naked apes with nuclear weapons and fledging space travel capabilities by hovering over the major cities of the greatest military power on their planet. Great idea. Here is a better one; make some quiet contacts, always from a position of weakness, wait a few decades to let the idea sink in, then fly several thousand ships over the largest city on earth over several years, to gauge the reaction.
Oh yeah, they did do that.
http://www.rense.com/general66/sant.htm
(rense is not my favorite source, but unlike the big papers he does the favor of keeping his archives online forever)
Are you an astronomer or night watcher? Not watching ensures not witnessing.
Of course. They wouldn’t come all that way to meet and interact with the highest lifeform on the planet (pace Douglas Adams) – they just wanna head home with bumper stickers that say ‘I saw the birthplace of the atom bomb!”
If they are capable of interstellar travel, you can be quite sure they’re not nearly as impressed by nukes as you are. They show up, they’ll let us know, not play childish games of hide-and-seek.
Oh well. Enjoy your ludicrous little fairytales; at least they keep you out of the grownups’ hair.
#16, Li
The possibility of my winning the grand prize in the lottery is a greater probability then there being intelligent alien life watching us.
I used to be a night watcher. Then my neighbor started closing her curtains every evening. (drat !!!).
The belief in intelligent alien life has as much credibility and evidence to support it as does any religion, excepting the FPM of course. When I get to meet one I’ll go past believer to knower.
16. Li- even stranger is this………LOL!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e27_1173581537
“The belief in intelligent alien life has as much credibility and evidence to support it as does any religion, excepting the FPM of course. When I get to meet one I’ll go past believer to knower. ”
I totally understand people who cant believe something they havent seen firsthand. What bothers me though, is when credible people (and yes, Walter Haut and Jessie Marcel were credible) report what they see to be dismissed by those who werent there. I dont know about religion, because I havent seen any proof, but many have seen proof of this, only to be dismissed as delusional idiots. I think its unfair to those veterans and astronauts, military pilots, etc.. to be treated in such a manner. But go ahead Lauren, pontificate wisely, my all knowing all seeing friend. I will never convince you and vice versa.
Ah, mark? You’re quoting Fusion there, not me – just thought I would mention…
“I totally understand people who cant believe something they havent seen firsthand. What bothers me though, is when credible people (and yes, Walter Haut and Jessie Marcel were credible) report what they see to be dismissed by those who werent there.”
Actually, I rather doubt that you do understand. I believe, all right, that people see things – but not what they CLAIM to’ve seen. People see UFOs all the time, always have; only a fool would deny it. They see Objects, which are apparently Flying, and those objects cannot be readily Identified.
By-the-bye, on what do you base this assertion: “yes, Walter Haut and Jessie Marcel were credible”? Really? How do you “know” that? Because someone said so? Human history is jam-packed with “credible” people who turned out, in the end, to be mistaken – or lying.
Your viewpoint is exactly identical to that of people who claim to believe in the God of the Bible, because of those people who said they “witnessed” the events they wrote about.
They, just as with UFO ‘true believers’ are, in a word, credulous and naïve (OK, two words…). Here’s what you fail to understand:
1. Human perception is very, VERY prone to error. Eyewitness testimony is the absolute WORST type of evidence there is, period. People see optical illusions. People see familiar, ordinary things under unusual conditions, rendering the familiar unfamiliar. People LIE. People are sometimes INSANE. People are often STUPID.
The human mind is wired to ‘fill in the blanks’ when insufficient data is available. When something apparently novel is witnessed, the mind automatically reframes the witnesses’ perception of the phenomenon to fit within the limitations of that person’s preëxisting knowledge. An individual from a remote tribe that has no concept of what an airplane is will see it, not as a manmade artifact that happens to be flying, which he has zero knowledge of, but it will become in his mind, absolutely and unshakably, either some kind of bird, or a manifestation of his God, because those are things he can grasp, things that exist within his personal perceptual framework.
Eyewitnesses ain’t, from the viewpoint of scientific investigation, worth a shit. Never were. It doesn’t matter how convinced the person is of what they saw, it means nothing how sincere they are – they are very often WRONG. The tales of our legal system are chock-full of this situation: person A is the victim of or eyewitness to a crime; when shown person B, person A says “That’s him! I know it! I’ll never forget that face! It couldn’t be anyone else, it was him!!” Person B is sent away to jail – or executed, even – and subsequent events uncover that the crime was actually, as a matter of unquestionable, absolute
physical proof, committed by person C, and likewise, proof is obtained that it was absolutely and utterly impossible for person B to have done it. Person A will STILL not accept that – the facts are no match for personal conviction regarding one’s perceptions, no matter how erroneous, as they so often are.
“I dont know about religion, because I havent seen any proof, but many have seen proof of this, only to be dismissed as delusional idiots.”
Wrong. No one has seen “proof” of alien visitations. You obviously have a faulty understanding of what constitutes proof.
The reason people who make such claims are dismissed as delusional idiots is really quite simple. That would be because, time after time, they almost always PROVE to be delusional idiots. In fact, delusional idiots, of which there are plenty, make up the vast majority of people who have “seen” aliens – or God…
“I think its unfair to those veterans and astronauts, military pilots, etc.. to be treated in such a manner.”
I’m sorry, but that is a truly dopey statement. “Unfair”? How so? Since when is “fairness” defined as “taking someone’s unsubstantiated word for things”?? “Treated in such a manner”? You mean, not having their claims automatically accepted at face value. And that is not only unscientific, it is stupid, because, as I have pointed out, eyewitnesses, even totally honest, intelligent people, are prone to misperception. And that is a fact.
There is no “fair” or “unfair;” there is true, and there is untrue.
An veteran. an astronaut, a pilot, the goddamn Pope – what difference does it make? “Oh, you [ were in the Army / went up in space / flew an airplane / wear a funny hat ], therefore anything you say must be completely, absolutely 100% accurate and true. You are not subject to the limits of perception that other humans are. You cannot possibly be fooled. And of course you would never say anything that wasn’t true.”
That, I suppose, is how you think these people should have their stories received, right? Just jot it down as fact, no further evidence needed. After all, if we ask for corroboration, we’re mistreating them, right? Being “unfair.” Not showing proper respect for these superhumans, incapable of error or deceit as they are.
Puh-leeze.
“But go ahead Lauren, pontificate wisely, my all knowing all seeing friend.”
I don’t have to see all and know all to know that there is not, nor has there ever been, one single atom of scientific evidence for alien visitors, the Xian God, Bigfoot, astrology, telepathy, ghosts, Russell’s Teapot, Santa Claus, or any of uncountable other phenomena that HUMANS HAVE DREAMT UP.
It is not a coïncidence that children, stupid people, primitive people, gullible people – i.e. people lacking knowledge and reasoning – make up the believers in those things and that educated, intelligent people who understand and use the scientific method, who know how faulty and prone to error and fraud eyewitness testimony is, who know the unavoidable necessity for PROOF – i.e. people specializing in knowledge and reasoning – they do not accept these things.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
– Carl Sagan
“I will never convince you and vice versa.”
And there’s a perfect example of an anti-knowledge, anti-truth, anti-reality mindset – because, unlike you, by your own admission, I CAN be persuaded to change my mind – but you can’t.
You – or anyone else – CAN convince me – and the rest of the scientific world – very easily. Just come up with some CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. Eyewitness accounts are NOT CREDIBLE. Eyewitness accounts which have zero tangible evidence to support them are utterly worthless – which may be because they’re so very often wrong. Y’think?
Among the many things you do not know – or, if you know, you fail to utilize – is an essential scientific rule of thumb given to us by William of Ockham, which says, ‘Do not multiply entities needlessly”, or more succinctly, “The simplest explantation is the most likely.”
When confronted with God, alien visitors or the Easter Bunny, the principle followed by all sane, intelligent, educated parties is this:
If there is no evidence that some thing exists, it can be safely assumed that the reason for that absence of evidence is that that thing doesn’t, in fact, actually exist. Once you grasp that aspect of reality, you will be a much smarter person.
Mea culpa alert…
In my 3rd para, supra:
“…those objects cannot be readily Identified.”
should, if I actually paid attention to what I was writing, read:
“those objects are, at least initially, Unidentified.”
D’OH!
Bubba as our resident astronomer what say you?
#23, Johnson, now that I can breathe again after being nearly underwater from all this darned rain in TX, I actually have time to post.
Several ways to accomplish this trick come to mind, but without actually seeing it live, I’m at a loss to precisely explain it. I’ve launched balloons before with almost neutral bouyancy that, with the right wind, could mimic that effect. Had I the time (and a few bucks) I’ll bet I could duplicate the whole deal in just a few days.
Since it’s almost the 4th of July, I can just see Uncle Sam with fiery hat floating blissfully across and above Lake Whitney right now!
Happy 4th of July to everyone. 🙂
#23, seriously, The veracity of the deceased is tough to question. There has been so much written about this phenomenon, it is extremely difficult to discern the actual truth. Government cover-up? Who can tell? This has all gotten so out of hand it’s tough to separate the bread from the baloney. If this man believed that he saw what he saw, and I don’t doubt that he did, great. Were there any recoverable technologies from that crash, wouldn’t we be flying to the store and traveling on vacation to the moon by now? Think of the profits to be made from the few with access to that tech — leaks are a certainty from something like that which could change our lives.
But I’m with Carl Sagan on this one (and Lauren’s quote): Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And there has been, to date, exactly zero hard evidence.
As an astronomer, I’ve seen one UFO in 40 years, and I’d be glad to share it with the crowd, it’s well documented and still unexplainable.
Carl Sagan (rest his intelligent soul) had this to say:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/aliens/carlsagan.html
I knew I could get you to bloviate, your too easy Lauren.
21. Oh, by the way as usual, I didnt read a word of your post, as with most excrutiatingly dull posts you write.
I am crushed. I hang my head in shame. Never again shall I bloviate for your exclusive benefit. I have indeed learned my lesson, painful as it may be.
Can you find it in your heart to forgive me? Or, failing that, could you, like, blow it out your ass? 🙂
28. I would but your face is in the way.
#20, mark
I dont know about religion, because I havent seen any proof, but many have seen proof of this, only to be dismissed as delusional idiots. I think its unfair to those veterans and astronauts, military pilots, etc.. to be treated in such a manner.
My ma-in-law is a Registered Nurse. That means she has some scientific training and understanding. Yet she too will “pray” for our souls. She sings her praises to “god”. She has even told me of many a “miracle” where “god” saved someone’s life. For the family’s sake, I keep my mouth shut around her yet she is convinced she knows there is a “god”. She feels his presence when she prays.
Yet she has no tangible evidence that “god” exists. Only she can’t explain in any other way why her husband died then that was “god’s will”. She knows how a wound heals, but still asks “god” to make it better. After her heart attack, she prayed continuously to the same “god” that supposedly made her sick to begin with to make her whole again.
So mark, my point is, some people just believe. Their education, training and / or life experiences should belie it, but it doesn’t. Maybe it is because everyone is susceptible to being fooled.
30. Maybe, it is. And I totally understand your point. I believe in this because I have seen some evidence of it, firsthand, as have others. So at least it is not totally (unlike religion) without validation albeit evidence circumstantial. I grew up Catholic so I struggled with that until I saw the hypocrisy of the institution, But regardless, real or not, I have alway been fascinated with things unknown. Like Lauren the Trouser Trout for example.