New museum says dinosaurs were on Noahs Ark | U.S. | Reuters — Readers of this blog know that we’ve been following the progress of this so-called museum. This is the last installment since it is now opened.
Like many modern museums, the newest U.S. tourist attraction includes some awesome exhibits — roaring dinosaurs and a life-sized ship. But only at the Creation Museum in Kentucky do the dinosaurs sail on the ship — Noahs Ark, to be precise.
The Christian creators of the sprawling museum, unveiled on Saturday, hope to draw as many as half a million people each year to their state-of-the-art project, which depicts the Bibles first book, Genesis, as literal truth.
While the $27 million museum near Cincinnati has drawn snickers from media and condemnation from U.S. scientists, those who believe God created the heavens and the Earth in six days about 6,000 years ago say their views are finally being represented.
“What weve done here is to give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available … to challenge them that really you can believe the Bibles history,” said Ken Ham, president of the group Answers in Genesis that founded the museum.
The thing is, I WOULD pay to see this museum myself. It has to be a hoot.
update from Al Cole
This is the most interesting exchange I’ve witnessed since the last time I saw Christopher Hitchens on TV.
I agree that #36 is right on the money, although I hope Graham stays. He’s so much fun.
Does WordPress have a module that allows users to post a picture and contact information if they chose to do so? That would be neat for follow up conversations with interesting commenters. Although my experience with Drupal is that the more stuff like that you add, the slower your site gets.
Sorry to go off-topic.
I left a comment here about how useless this entire discussion is. I called it “a pile of bullshit”. This was the most insightful comment in the whole thread… and it got deleted. Which, if you could understand what is insightful about it, is actually totally fitting.
All this hot air about creation and science is just a bunch of letters of the alphabet typed in by a bunch of flesh-and-bone animals who think there is something missing about their understanding of themselves. They think that what is missing is an explanation. So, they look for that explanation. LO AND BEHOLD – no consensus is found.
MAYBE what’s missing is NOT an explanation? No, That doesn’t dawn on anybody. All they see is a lack of explanatory consensus. This lack of consensus reinforces that awful feeling that something is missing, so it gets personal quickly, and a flame war breaks out. It’s only happened about 1,000,000,000,000 times on the Internet.
Meanwhile, what is really missing is not an explanation. It’s an experience of reality. And it happens when you STFU. So by saying STFU — I mean, really STFU — I am making the kindest suggestion anyone in the entire world will ever make to you. Of course, if it hasn’t happened, you’re not going to believe it. You will think I am a jerk. But whatever. I’ve already lost you.
Suffice to say, by complaining about other people’s religious/philosophical beliefs, you TURN YOURSELF INTO THE VERY THING YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT. Judgment. Conceit. Ignorance.
And I’m just as bad as you, for complaining about the complaints. You might even say I ought to STFU. You know what? Just delete this comment too.
Despite any evidence for or against it, there’s one very simple reason I don’t believe in Creation.
Because it’s in the Bible.
If you’ve ever picked up and read this thing, you’d know it’s one of the most disturbing and ridiculous bunch of self-contradicting fairy tales ever written. So I’d recommend anyone suffering from a bout of “faith” try reading it as a simple home remedy.
#63 – Visit http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp for a more comprehensive overview of a few of the problems with the Big Bang theory. Pay special attention to point #2 about the microwave background.
I always like the way these types of articles on D.U. spawn these discussions.
Firstly, if you have ever read any of the Bible without asking God to make it clear to you then more than likely you did not get much out of it. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
You are right 65. We do all talk too much. But there has to be some kind of dialog in order to survive together. We may never reach consensus but do we really have to? Your words are very insightful. It is, or should be, about experiencing reality. I had a personal experience of reality that happened between me and God. That is how I know that I know God is who he says he is.
Trying to convince anyone of anything is usually futile. Words are just words. Until you have a personal experience no one will never convince you of anything. Faith to believe in something comes from that personal experience, whatever it is.
I, as a Christian, am expected to “test everything” to make sure it lines up with Gods word. If it does not then it is rejected, if it does it is held as truth. I can do that because God has given me a measure of faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, faith is the evidence of things not seen. Faith is something most non-Christians reject because if you can not touch it or prove it in a lab then whatever it is, it is not true. Faith scares the secularist, it frightens the atheist, and it terrifies the scientist. Faith is the admission that I do not know everything but I trust the One who does. Evolutionists have faith, they have to because all of their claims about evolution are not provable so the have to “trust” Darwin’s “theory.”
As a Christian I can believe in evolution. I believe science has proven micro-evolution, which is evolution within a species. But science has not proven macro-evolution, which is evolution form one species to another.
So the bottom line? I do not know if there were dinosaurs on the ark and you know what? It does not matter. I would like to know a lot of things but I trust God and I have faith in his love for us poor pea-brained humans. I believe he reveals Himself to us in new way all the time. The problem is we do not know how to see it, and that comes because of sin, but that is another discussion.
> Faith scares the secularist, it frightens the atheist, and
> it terrifies the scientist. Faith is the admission that I
> do not know everything but I trust the One who does.
“Faith” does not scare secularists. People that consciously decide to ignore logic and reason in favor of ignorance scare secularists because these are the types of people that then act on those irrational ideologies by killing non-believers or making their life miserable by passing oppressive legislation.
Thus, it is not “faith” that scares secularists, atheists or scientists. It is ignorance in large numbers.
> Evolutionists have faith, they have to because all of their
> claims about evolution are not provable so the have to
> “trust” Darwin’s “theory.”
No sir. Evolutionists have confidence based on evidence. If you do not understand the difference, then you do not possess the tools you need to rationally debate the subject.
#68 “Firstly, if you have ever read any of the Bible without asking God to make it clear to you then more than likely you did not get much out of it.”
You’re right, I didn’t get much out of it, other than it was obviously a piece of fiction. Then again, maybe God misplaced my fax number and so was unable to explain it to me.
Kansas Outlaws Practice Of Evolution
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55807
#63, Stiffer, sorry, this article is from Metaresearch, and has no reliable peer review. Every reference cited is more than 5 or 6 years old, and one is from 1927! Even Fred Hoyle, major proponent of the steady state theory has given up. If you search the web long enough, you can find all sorts of stuff like this.
For example, point #8 in the article you cited is just not right.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070515082029.htm
I suppose I could take the time to research every point, but if one is false, why bother?
Ah, the gift that keeps on giving.
#71, Stiffler, sorry I misspelled your name and misposted #63 instead of #67. Oh, and BTW, point #2 you wanted me to see is the one that cited the work of Sir Arthur Eddington from 1927. Hardly relevant today.
I just found an interview with Monsigniore Walter Brandstädter, chief historian of the vatican. It’s amazing, I was always wondering if those “chiefs” of the churches do believe what they tell their followers or if they’re just infinitely cynical.
The interview is in German here, for those of you who’re not fluent in that language, I’ve translated what I think is a key part:
So my question is: is this person completely gaga or is it just cynicism?
This babbling is identical to what we hear from the creationist idiots in America. To a completely uneducated person, this might seem conclusive, but if you are used to use logic in your reasoning, it’s impossible not to see the flaws.
The whole thing is increasingly bothering to me, the religions are on the rise again, this time not because we know so little about the world around us, but because so many people understand so little about what we know.
pj
upps.. sorry for the mixup of names up there, the guy’s name is Walter Brandmüller, not Brandtstätter….
pj
How about a new good theory and a bible for creationists to use instead of the bible and arguments they use now? Try “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. Everything is explained and it is on paper, so it must be true 🙂
#1… is “morans” plural for morons? On a lighter note, I wish I was a self assured redneck born again christian. Life would be so simple… you’d never have a question about anything except which beer you’re drinking?
one more thing – if you are going for a creation myth, why pick the Judeo-Christian one, when there are better ones out there:
http://www.livescience.com/history/top10_intelligent_designs-1.html
Biblical Creationists should not only target evolution, the Big Bang, plate tectonics, etc, but also these other stories.
All i can say is Pastafarism is the best Creacionist theory…
you guys are total morons