Wow! The people in this video have so little understanding of science that it’s truly frightening. And, their ability to mash together analogies out of utterly unrelated things is stunning. A true masterpiece! Easily on par with the banana proof.
Two questions, though… First, does this proof hold up no matter if you use smooth OR chunky? And second, what happens when you create Elvis’ fav sandwich, fried peanut butter and banana? If yes, does that make it a holy sandwich? Oops, that’s three questions. See what a can of worms one opens thinking about such things? Wait a minute… worms… in peanut butter… Where’s my video camera…
That video is proof that we didn’t leave the Garden of Eden because we ate from the Tree of Knowledge.
We ate from the Tree of Knowledge because we left the Garden of Eden.
How do we know there may be billions of new forms of single cell life that pop up in peanut butter all the time and then never evolves because it gets eaten.
This is almost as good as that video where bananas proves Intellegent design because they fit in our hands so well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4
I’d just like to say that #4 assumed what he was trying to prove “if you follow evolution back … it disproves creationism”.
#8 says that adding supremely powerful being further complicates a complicated question – and trying to figure out a scientific basis for life from non-life (and all the other thorny problems) based on the idea that there has to be a “scientific” basis for the answer doesn’t complicate it more? I mean, assume God, and bingo, all the hard questions are answered. Otherwise, assume a big bang, assume a suitable primordial ooze, ect, ect … I’m not saying that its a good argument for creationism, I’m saying its a rotten argument against creationism.
Oh, and by the way, a global flood explains a heck of a lot of tricky geological problems … that the original writers wouldn’t have known about. Just one point (the Flood is tied in tightly to Creationist origins theory – you really can’t have one without the other)
(and to repeat what other commenters have been saying on other streams – the whoa cowboy thing is annoying and catches you even if you haven’t posted for hours – its broken and needs fixing)
The great advantage of the scientific method is that it is unprejudiced: one does not have to believe a given researcher, one can redo the experiment and determine whether his/her results are true or false. The conclusions will hold irrespective of the state of mind, or the religious persuasion, or the state of consciousness of the investigator and/or the subject of the investigation. Faith, defined as belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence, does not determine whether a scientific theory is adopted or discarded.
Preceding quote courtesy of Jose Wudka, Physics Professor at UCR.
Although I think Chuck in the video is one small acorn falling on his head away from throwing a Kool-Aid party for true believers. I have to generally give Christian Scientists credit, they do put their faith on the line with more conviction than a lot of fundamentalist. It’s hard to deny the sincerity of followers of a religion that tells you to suck it up and go, it’s just appendicitis. It may be irrational, but it’s no safe harbor for bullshit artist or wussies.
And on 18, well said.
I think the origin of life came to earth when an advanced alien race came to a young Earth for a rest stop on their way to the next solar system. They took a big shit in a hole some where and left, and fast forward a zillion years later and that poo evolved into life today.
Now I feel like a shithead.
The scary part is that there is a large population, our national leadership included, that is ignorant or just plain stupid enough to give that analogy full credibility.
By the way, there could be new life in that jar that was just made this year… it could be a spec the size of a virus, but it could be there. What does this moron expect… a fully formed ‘alien’ to jump out at him? Duh!
can you spell statistics?
1 Billion jars of peanut butter a year for 100 years compared to the earth for a Billion years. What’s the factor of time and matter between those two?
Does someone have this guy’s address? I’ll order him a copy of “Climbing mount improbable” right now. Or maybe a 9th grade math book?
pj
um, there IS something in food, its called bacteria! D-D-DUH
what did u expect? an orangutan to pop out or something? ants maybe?
these are the people some idiots choose to follow.
You can find new life in a jar of peanut butter, it’s called E. Coli.
That is pure genius!
There is no way you could intentionally write something that funny unless you were serious. I am scared that if I watch it again I will spontaneously revoke every athiest thought in my head simply based on the unassailable logic of their argument.
“I’m normally not a praying man, but if you’re up there, please save me Superman.” – Homer Simpson
“it’s no safe harbor for bullshit artist or wussies.”
Tell that to Bush.
A creationist science experiment….
1) Remember that peanuts are roasted at about 300 degrees F.
2) Get an idea
3) Buy a jar of peanut butter
4) Open the jar and look closely for signs of new life from the elements of peanut butter and whatever else they put in there.
5) Observe no new life, and exclaim no new life is present because you haven’t seen it with thine eyes.
6) Conclude that an hour of processing peanut butter is equal to the time, exposure and conditions on earth in it’s first billion years.
(They’re on to me).
I’m sure he can prove that avian flu can’t mutate either… As #39 wrote… the scary part is that there are idiots who believe in these “educated prophets”.
#46 JimR, you forgot step 7) Rest.
Creationists prefer a seven step plan 😉
LOL, Gary that was priceless… the embellishment it needed.
😉
40 – The answer to your apparent contradiction – the command is not to murder, which is a man acting, then later, the command is to execute, which is the state acting. Consider it a form of capital punishment. Jehovah is a jealous God, and He knew that the heathen people in the land would have corrupted His people, and thus ordered their mass execution. The charge would have been violation of His earlier laws, like thou shalt have no other God before me. The choice was already made. You can disagree with the action if you like, but I believe I’ve explained the “contradiction”.
#30 Proteins are made up of amino acids, which form naturally from four basic elements carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Just google “artificial protein” for lots of examples.
#31 “So if one were to synthesize life from non-life, by extension, the theory of the existence of God would be disproved? Certainly, the necessity of God would be eliminated.”
Unfortunately, believers in the “God of the Gaps” are very hard to please, since anything science can’t explain must be a sign of God right?
God is fire, science explains fire so God is wind, science explains wind, so God is light, science explains light, so God is life, science explains life, so God is…
This guy does not represent mainstream Christianity – protestant or Catholic, not many of us evangelicals.
I just heard Francis Collins, head of the Genome Project and an evangelical Christian, interviewed on Fresh Air yesterday.
Now they’re a smart scientist who doesn’t embarrass us Christian.
BTW, in another discussion I was mocked for suggesting that a lot of scientists are people of faith. I didn’t know how many but I’m sure it more than the occasional odd-ball. Collins said it is bout 40%
I have a Bachelor of Science degree, myself, so I took a fair amount of “hard” science courses (as opposed to social science) and I never tried to hide my faith when chatting in labs or wherever.
Several of our university’s best respected science profs “outed” themselves to me as believers. Few people on campus knew of their faith, I gathered.
I believe it only SEEMS like scientists are nearly all non-religious because of the open bigotry against them in the science community. Of course, this only affirms the arrogance among some atheists that they own science.
#52 Greg Allen, either by sheer coincidence or by divine inspiration, my dad talked me into reading an article by that same Francis Collins just last night. Collins sees God’s design in DNA, just as other scientists sometimes see it in the stars or in nature. I’ve never been terribly surprised and certainly not bothered by that, but for the life of me, I’ve never been able to comprehend why you brilliant people (with no hint of sarcasm) are willing to settle for a third-class deity like Yahweh. It seems like you could do so much better, even if you have to build a brand new god from the ground up.
If you decide to design a divinity from scratch, it should go without saying that the genderless god must insist that its followers treat and respect men and women equally. It should also show absolutely no favoritism for any race of people, and it must (this is a deal-breaker) give all people an equal opportunity to achieve a place in heaven. That means any person from any country born at any point in time must have an equal chance to hear, understand, and obey whatever set of rules controls admission into heaven (puppies and kittens are optional).
Building a fair and just god is a tough challenge, but intelligent and dedicated people will rise to the occasion. I have faith 😉
No-one has yet brought up the Miller-Urey experiment. Replace the peanut butter with apparatus similar to an environment made up of chemicals we can find in space (and through to make up the early Earth’s atmosphere); replace the fluorescent supermarket lights with an electrical arc, and in a week or so you get organic compounds. Repeat for a few hundred million years and you could end up with some green slimey stuff.
And about theories being disproven: Newton’s laws of motion aren’t exactly true–Einstein threw them out (and that explained some perturbations in the orbit of Mercury). But ol’ Isaac’s math is still good enough to get us to, say, the moon and back.
My favorite theory is Pasteur’s “germ theory of disease.” It goes against the bible’s explanation that most disease is caused by demons. Why don’t fundamentalist Christians decry that theory? (Then again, ol’ Louis didn’t get it quite complete right either; some would have to argue that demons really do cause all disease, I guess.)
Note to Moderators: This WordPress server application sucks. As I’ve witnessed quite a few times in the past, WordPress has inserted a new comment that wasn’t on the page last night, and it changed the numbering scheme of all subsequent comments. The untimely insertion of Bruce IV’s comment at #51 has changed the numbers of subsequent comments. Last night, Greg Allen’s comment was #52, but this morning it is #53. It makes it difficult when replying to another comment to refer to it by its number, only to see that number later changed by the WordPress software. Are these comments being delayed by screwed-up filters? How does WordPress keep “temporarily misplacing” comments? Cripes!
Gary, it’s not WordPress doing this. The problem comes when a comment is caught by the anti-spam system and put into ‘holding.’ Others post comments before we can get through the list and release the real posts which then puts them into line based on the time, pushing the ones after down a number. Comments referring to one of these pushed comments will then be off.
Thanks Uncle Dave. And just to clarify regarding Bruce IV (who’s been around here quite awhile), I’ve had a couple of my own comments end up in anti-spam limbo as well, only to see them show up later and cause other people grief.
But if we just give up, the spammers will have won.
Re #53, greg, as an non believer in any god, I could sill take theology courses and graduate with a degree in religious studies. I’m sure there are many non believers who do that. Would that make me a good theologian? Would that make evolution more valid?
Religion and science are antithetical. A religious scientist is as hypocritical or unconvincing as an atheistic theologian.
#61 – JimR
“A religious scientist is as hypocritical or unconvincing as an atheistic theologian.”
Take a look at someone who manages to not only learn paleontological science, but learns it very well, indeed, yet he personally is a loony – a ‘young-Earth creationist’ who believes that, despite all he has learned, the Earth is really and truly only 6,000 years old. The article is here.
The human mind is wonderous in its ability to compartmentalize conflicting data, but there’s still something fundamentally disfunctional about being able to overintellectualize a conflict of paradigms to such a degree as to put an absurd, ludicrous mythology ahead of demonstrable fact, as this deluded individual has (proudly!) done.
Living proof that becoming a competent, capable researcher doesn’t automatically immunize you from insanity.
Lauren, I just read the article. Dr. Ross has simply gone through the paces to get his degree and obviously has an ulterior agenda as evidenced by “he teaches earth science at Liberty University, the conservative Christian institution founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell “.
I wouldn’t hire him with a ten foot resume because he would inevitably taint his work with bias. He’s as loony as a fox.
#62-63, that article is interesting, to say the least. Ross went into paleontology due to his childhood fascination with fossils and dinosaurs, items which don’t exist in his “real-world” creationist paradigm.
But the funniest part is where it says he argues that intelligent design provides a better explanation than evolution for the Cambrian explosion, another period that far pre-dates the beginning of his world. So I guess intelligent design provides a quasi-religious safety net for him in case the earth’s age is ever proven to a degree of certainty that forces him to discard the strict Biblical account he still believes.
I’d hate to be standing anywhere near him when his head explodes. The fallout could be devastating.