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CNN.com Video — Whoa! Holy mackerel! Here’s a story that got by us (and everyone else it seems).
This is only covered in some obscure publications such as E-Canada now:
Fife also noted that he did request information from the the commander of Luke Air Force Base, the general of the National Guard, and the head of the Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials he contacted had an answer for what had happened, and were also “perplexed.”
Frances Barwood, who was the former Phoenix city councilwoman in 1997 and who launched an investigation into the event, said that out of the more than 700 witnesses she interviewed, “The government never interviewed even one.”
found by Mark McCullough
#30 – BubbaRay
““Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”? I see none here.”
Not one particle of evidence, ever – yet people’ll swear up and down it’s true. Where have I heard that before?
Amusing how some people who can recognize the significance of zero evidence for a deity then turn around and display the same slack-jawed credulity themselves over claims that are no less absurd, just more modern – with that tangy sci-fi flavor.
Our govt and military, packed with dimwitted, incompetent and corrupt bumblefucks – are somehow able to stage a flawless, leakproof, utterly impenetrable conspiracy.
All are completely willing to withhold knowledge that would change history, revolutionize science, propel society into the future in an instant – yet not a one can be tempted by instant global fame, incalculable riches and a place in history.
Needless to say, not a one ever makes a mistake.
So many people, they’d have to hold meetings in Madison Square Garden, yet they’re so completely secret that they make the NSA look like the Super Bowl halftime show by comparison…
Not a one has ever gotten high, or drunk, or pissed off and spilled the beans to an outsider…
And let’s not even go into the bizarre speculation about how, and even better, why they’d all decide – and unanimously, mind you! – to keep it all secret…
Add this crock of nonsense up and you get something only slightly less likely than spotting God, Allah and the Flying Spaghetti Monster together on the front nine at Pebble Beach. 🙂
Fishman- Your ignorance of this subject astounds me. A cursory search on the tubes will reveal exactly the opposite of your statement. Many military, scientists, even Presidents have spoken out. Including Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku. Read it and get back to me or STFU about this subject.
http://netscientia.com/ufo_quotes.html
But I’m sure you wont do the research. To do so would invalidate your position. And you wont be able to post your nonsense.
And I thought that the biggest nuts came from Virginia…
Sure is nice to know how many credulous alien-visitation believers there are around here (with a sprinkling of skeptics). Dvorak must be proud to have such a smart readership.
Yes, I love these guys too. You, not so much.
If you believe that flares shot out of an A-10 could (maintaining a triangular formation) fly 200 miles, turn, and fly a few hundred more, then I have some scrap copper down on Ellis Island to sell you, ’cause you’ll believe any lie if it is convenient.
Comment by Li —
Gee.. too bad no one got a video of this
I saw the “Black Triangle” UFO back in the winter of 1981-1982, in a suburb of Minneapolis, MN. I was 12, and in 6th grade. The one I saw looked more the “Belgium Triangle”: http://tinyurl.com/292gsb
It had no lights, but it flew overhead obscuring stars from view, and I could make out the shape, and even details on the bottom of the craft, from reflected moonlight from a fresh snow. Also, it made no sound.
Nice thing is, I wasn’t alone — I was with a friend, and she saw it, too! Here are coordinates from Google Earth: 45° 2’4.51″N / 93°25’2.52″W. We were sitting on the top of a snow hill at the end of the parking lot. I was with a bunch of kids who had been sledding all day on a small hill of the school to the west. We were tired and walking home, but she and I climbed to the top of a parking lot plow hill to look at the stars. We saw them, and a UFO, too. It was a nifty ending to a great day.
Well, there ya go!
34, Lauren and I are having an e-bay sale of alien artifacts this weekend, I expect you to be top bidder.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we had some high-school or college students out there deliberately creating UFO sightings with some impressive tech.
#27, I saw the same show you did on the Discovery Channel. I don’t know why this is even considered news, although I am glad Dvorak brought the story to our attention. The lights in the distance are FLARES.
So sayeth Lauren the Trouser Trout
“ramblings of deluded flakes and look at the other side of the coin?”
Lets see, a short list of deluded flakes quoted in the site:
Dwight Eisenhower
John Kennedy
Barry Goldwater
Richard Nixon
Harry Truman
Ronald Reagan
Edgar Mitchell
Deke Slayton
Scott Carpenter
Whatever tool.
43, Lauren, still no bids on our e-bay alien artifacts. Dang, I thought we’d make some bucks here.
News at 11 — Carl Sagan spun out of his grave today and has been spotted by millions who think he’s a UFO. Psychics contacted by Asimov and Clarke confirm.
Oh, and don’t forget John Glenn, senator from Ohio who was the first to report the UFO later referred to as the ‘Constellation Urion’.
46. Well I guess you told me. Now go get yourself another beer Bubba.
47, Mark, aw, shucks. We could argue about this forever, it wouldn’t accomplish anything. I’ll take your advice. Can I get you a cold one, too? If only I could recycle that beer right out of a capsule and make a new constellation urion. How cool would that be? John Glenn got to have all the fun.
🙂
Sure Bubba, I’ll drink a beer with you anytime. Long as its not PBR. And I dont know about John Glenns’ sighting, in the movie (The Right Stuff) it was depicted as resembling firelies, how he could mistake that for a stationary constellation, the most recognizable constellation in the Northern Hemisphere, is anyones guess. Didnt he fall down in the bathtub and hit his head?
And by the way, its constellation ORION.
49, Mark, John Glenn actually called mission control to report ‘ufos’. After it was discovered that the ‘fireflies’ were actually the result of urine dumps from the capsule, the ‘in-joke’ among his fellow astronauts was that he saw the constellation ‘urion’, a take-off of one of the greatest constellations in the sky, Orion, containing, among others, Rigel, Betelgeuse, the belt, the sword and in the sword, M42, the Great Nebula in Orion. You can see M42 naked eye, and in a telescope it’s amazing. Wish I had some Hubble time. Just for edification purposes while I finish this beer.
And I think I’ll just go get another brew. How about a Guiness for you?
49, Mark, dang, I forgot to mention Ron Howard’s great movie, Apollo 13, where Bill Paxton as Fred Haise mentions the constellation ‘urion’ during a routine urine dump. As I recall, there’s a pretty good shot of the ‘fireflies’ in that scene.
BubbaRay, do you get paid to post to blogs, or is it just a serious hobby? I certainly can’t match you on output, but I can’t match a horse in his output either, so I’m not sad.
I, for one, do not know how skeptics can serve on juries with a good conscience, given that they seem to trust witness testimony so little. How many millions have to see unexplainable stuff floating in the sky before you give that testimony some tiny bit of weight? Just as you invalidate God and Ghosts because you can’t put them in a box and repeat them in a controlled setting, you say that aliens can’t be there despite all testimony, and documentary evidence, because you can’t get them in a room and anal probe them. Or, perhaps it is that you simply put trust in authority, and thus ask how something could be kept secret when it has been in our faces all along; only a blind belief in authority could explain such blindness. So, perhaps that is the lesson, that terminal skeptics shouldn’t be let on juries, lest they believe any ridiculous lie coming out of the mouth of authority? Nah, I wouldn’t go so far as to call my opposition in an argument straight out nuts. That would be rude.
Rectal temperature and other data points aside, I see no point in posting links that will not be read, or simply be replied to with whole site domains, as if we are to read all of the forums and then come back. I see no point in arguing on facts to be ignored until one thing is established once and for all. As much as you skeptics like to think you have a monopoly on reason, reason is undeniably something above our individual beliefs and experiences. It is a method of discussion and thought that helps us to understand the way that we all experience this reality. It encompasses discussion and attempts at understanding nature, art, mathematics, music, philosophy, politics (in an ideal world). . .basically ever aspect of reality. Expecting every aspect of reality to sit in a bottle and repeat itself is like expecting to be able to repeatedly analyze a brilliant musical performance, or a happy and content moment. Both of these things may not be repeatable, but they both undeniably exist. Thus, any thing which excludes any one’s experience as nuts or loony is not reason. Even the experiences of truly sick and insane people can help us to understand those afflictions. But witnesses rarely show much sign of mental illness, they are well people who have had unusual experiences. No, noisy skeptics are merely the missionaries of a belief system, skepticism, which like all -isms is subject to dogmas and comforting certainty in a Universe we do not truly understand.
52. Li- I believe you were aiming your response at Lauren, but thanks for articulating what I could not. I think Lauren means well, he is just so wrapped up in his own “I’m so superior” attitude, he cant see the forest OR the trees, only the Ghoti. Expect another long-winded rambling attack, he cant help it, its an affliction. Anyway, a well written response.
30. Wasn’t it Carl Sagan who said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”? I see none here.
Comment by BubbaRay — 3/23/2007 @ 2:58 pm
Goodness, Li, that sure was a long-winded attack for a short post. Where’s your extraordinary evidence? No? Didn’t think so. I’m a pilot and professional astronomer, and I’ve seen my share of ‘unexplained’ events, but I usually don’t resort to name-calling. For you, I might make an exception.
31, Mark, thanks, but the fish is a pretty smart dude, too. Not to say I agree with him always, but he’s no dummy.
52, Li, And just to boost my income, here’s another post. You”re right, I get paid for each and every one of these. Dvorak’s got my check in the mail right now.
Like I said in the previous post, I’ve seen my share of ‘unexplained’ events. But I have no extraordinary evidence.
Bubba-ism, just like skepticism, but more friendly…..
You are as deaf as you are blind. If the witness of millions upon millions, piles of photos and videos, and several governments that have said they are there in as many words (Belgium, Mexico, and you can add France to that list at this point) are not extraordinary evidence, then there is no impressing you.
Until there is an anal probing you’re just not happy.