Yeah, this is going to be a down and dirty wrestling match for prez this time around. This appeared last week and is getting a moderate amount of play. Kucinich has a slim to none chance of winning, but he’s setting a tone… No, it’s already pretty dirty. Just ask Obama. Or Hillary.
So, any of you think we should impeach Bush? Of course, we’d then get Cheney who I think it’s fair to say would not provide the kind of change impeachment seeks to implement.
UPDATE: Salt Lake City mayor, Rocky Anderson, called for Bush to be impeached on CNN with detailed reasons for doing so. He also knocks fellow Democrats for not calling for impeachment. Watch video.
President Bush should be impeached for incompetence, starting the war on Iraq when the obvious truth was that we should have gone to war with the Islamic government in Sudan.
Bush should have been impeached about 6 years ago
Get Elected, Get Impeached… Sounds like a new trend…
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“Find the law he broke and you’ll have something. Until then the impeachment crap will continue to cost the left middle-of-the-road voters.”
Considering his decisions (approved by congress!) directly resulted in the deaths of 3000+ Americans and tens of thousand of Iraqis, I think “Crimes Against Humanity” would be an appropriate charge.
I believe Bush is guilty of many crimes but impeachment has never worked and probably never will. Trying to get congress to convict a man for the same crimes they are committing just isn’t going to happen.
Besides that, it is my understanding that he is already pardoned for all crimes in legislation passed last fall.
I’m against Bush and everything he has done, but the Democrats are just as bad, and they act as co conspirators with Bush. They have done nothing to stop the war and the abuse of the Constitution. They have done nothing to stop the continued looting of our treasury nor the illegal signature with comment that Bush invented letting him sign bills into law while saying they will never be enforced.
The press acquiesces to all this as willingly as the Democrats and nobody, save a few who get their news on the internet, even know about the worst of all this. The press has failed us in our time of need and our grandchildren will still be paying for this administration into their old age.
(From the video) Iran doesn’t have the intention of attacking the US?! They HAVE attacked US citizens by supplying terrorists in Iraq with weapons for the express purpose of kiling Americans. I’m not saying attacking Iran is a good idea, but to say that they have no intention of attacking the US (or any of its people) is preposterous.
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You expect justice from a body of men (the Senate) that stated point blank on camera before they were asked to vote Guilty/Not Guilty (their only choices), “Yes he (Clinton) lied (to the Grand Jury), but we don’t think he should be impeached.” You think that the circus wouldn’t be as comical with Bush?
There have been many vilified Presidents in our past and many of those had calls for impeachment including Lincoln. It is simply not going to happen nor will any sort of prosecution afterwards.
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I think you should talk with some Armenians, Germans and Sudanese about the true nature of crimes against humanity.
As much as I like Kucinich, I don’t think there is a chance in hell of Imprechment even being properly discussed. If the GOP believed that Clinton’s BJ was impeachable, then Bush is somebody who should executed on national television, followed by anybody who worked for his White House… and then all their families shot in the head and thrown into the lime pits.
But the Democrats don’t have the balls to do it. So, I have reluctently come to hope for a coup in our government. It is time for the Pentagon to kick over the barricades and install a Junta to rule the United States as a Imperial American Empire or some such. Congress – even a Democratic one – is full of incompetent boobs, and the White House is staffed by evil incompetent boobs. The American people want these idiots to be this stupid. So, democratic republican government has failed. It’s time for the Miltary to run the show. Why? Because at least they will execute every member of the White House Staff for their crimes. Bush wouldn’t get a trail – Just an announcement followed by his being shot in the head on the Nightly News – with a cheering crowd in full view.
No, the miltary won’t be nice to the people. But things will at least make sense. Evil, when it happens, will have an understandable purpose behind it. It won’t being this stupid version of Evil we have now. It won’t be fun, but it will be a world where things make sense.
I find it, at the pont, that Bus jr. could possibly Piss on the White house lawn, at 3pm In public View, and declare it a national monument…
And get away with it..
Let me play devil’s advocate (as I happen to think impeachment is NOT the best course) and illuminate the most basic problem: If Bush isn’t impeached and we get a democratic president in 2008, that president will likely not end the war in Iraq, and the democratic congress would be unlikely to force the issue and embarrass a sitting democratic president. So what would we get? More unending war. Also, for those who say “President Cheney”, my answer would be impeach them both, bring them both up on charges.
I simply cannot see how a reasonable argument can be made for impeachment. It’s more than clear that most of the posters here have a deep hatred of the President, but emotion is not justification for impeachment. I would like to note than I am not a particularly big fan of the President. (Quite honestly I wish McCain would have gotten the nomination in 2000) However, despite the fact that it may not have been a good idea, the war in Iraq was lawful. Iraq repeatedly violated the peace treaty that ended the first Gulf War, effectively putting our nations back at war. While this was not the reasoning used to sell the war, it still applies from an international law point of view. Impeachment is reserved for high crimes and misdemeanors, and while there is no lack of administration actions that I do not agree with, there is simply nothing that fits that description. If the war was an impeachable offense, then every member of Congress that voted for it should also be impeached by that logic. It’s also worth mentioning that it would be a horrible precedent, effectively handcuffing future presidents from protecting the nation. Remember our actions in Bosnia were not approved by the UN either, but I don’t think anyone would argue that it was wrong to try to stop the genocide there. Let’s use some common sense and keep the emotion out of serious discussion.
#41, Not quite true.
Remember our actions in Bosnia were not approved by the UN either, but I don’t think anyone would argue that it was wrong to try to stop the genocide there. Let’s use some common sense and keep the emotion out of serious discussion.
Action was approved by NATO. Russia exercised its veto power in the UN although the overwhelming consensus was that the Muslims were being slaughtered. Other NATO nations were involved before the US got involved. The same hold true with Kosovo.
The problem with the resolution Bush got from Congress for war also had the promise that he would try to get a negotiated settlement first. He immediately went on a war footing. I told the UN and Atomic Energy Commission inspectors to leave so he could commence his bombing. He told Congress there was irrefutable proof (remember “a slam dunk”) that Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction. It is a felony to purposefully lie to Congress.
He and his Administration outed a CIA agent for political purposes. That threatened our national security. He and his Administration then tried to cover it up. That alone should be grounds for impeachment.
Bush authorized the torture of prisoners. This violates domestic and international laws.
Bush authorized the illegal interception of telecommunications.
Bush failed to provide summaries to Congress on national security issues.
I’ll cut the list short on WHAT laws Bush broke. But before you suggest the precedent it will set if he is impeached, just think of the precedent if he isn’t impeached. After Nixon, we believed NO President was above the law. Now with Bush it is NO law is above the President. Of all the reasons to impeach, that is the most important. No man is above the law.
Wow. I think we all knew Kucinich was insane, but I don’t think I fully appreciated just how demented he was.
> He told Congress there was irrefutable proof (remember “a
> slam dunk”) that Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction. It
> is a felony to purposefully lie to Congress.
Bullshit. Bush did not lie to Congress. To tell a lie is to make a statement which you know is not true. That means you have to establish that Bush knew that Iraq had no WMDs which is clearly not true. Our intelligence agencies as well as almost every other country’s intelligence agency felt he had WMDs. The members of Congress that voted for the resolution to go to war saw the same intelligence as the President and came to the same conclusions as that of numerous other country’s intelligence agencies.
> Bush authorized the torture of prisoners. This violates
> domestic and international laws.
More bullshit. The core issue with torture entirely rested with what is meant by “torture.” To some holding someone at Guantanamo was considered torture. To some, having women guard moslems was torture.
> Bush authorized the illegal interception of telecommunications.
The President has always had the authority to intercept communications in a time of war. The issue is whether that authority extends to domestic surveillance and whether FISA is actually Constitutionally binding. In other words, it is not legally clear that what Bush did was against the law nor clear that the Administration did it knowing it was illegal.
> Bush failed to provide summaries to Congress on national
> security issues.
Again, not the whole truth. Congress as a rule is a sieve for information. When information was released to Congress it somehow miraculously found its way to the public.
Yes, he should be impeach and so should Cheney in a similarly timed event so we’d end up with Pelosi as the president.
But don’t stop there; impeach all members that you can impeach and bring others in the administration up on charges too. Look, we know they lied, they have conflicts of interest and they are gaining directly financially for do so many, many things plus they have demonstrably violated the constitution as well as deliberately planned to do so for so long that it outweighs any consideration for NOT impeaching them. Torture, wire tapping, on and on and on.
And, (need I say it?), we are not at officially at war here, but if we were any trading the admin has done with some people in the Mid East during this entire time is an act of treason. Yeah, reason your way out of that one. Either we are at war, which means treason for some admin officials OR we aren’t at war so wire tapping (a separate issue) is illegal and unconsitutional. Which is it guys? Choose your crime you want to go to prison for!
That said, I don’t think it will happen because of financial considerations and covering one’s own butt on the democrat side. They think, better I survive and stay employed over having a viable country democratically or economically.
#44, Thomas,
The really scary thing is you might actually believe what you wrote is true. Maybe you have been listening to Comedian Rush Limbaugh too much. Or any of the other right wing nut talking empty heads.
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The CIA and retired agents have said that they presented evidence that what Bush was telling people was wrong. The White House ignored it. Almost everyone knew that Bush planned to go to war against Iraq long before the issue was raised.
Members of Congress do not get access to unfiltered classified information. The committee members that do get access to what is dispensed are sworn to secrecy and may not repeat what was told them or they may be charged with a National Security Violation.
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Sensory deprivation, water boarding, religious degradation, physical assault, climate extremes, etc. have all been allegedly committed in “Gitmo”. Some have even been documented by FBI agents as well as released prisoners. The distinction you try to attribute to what is torture is just more hot air coming from your point masters.
Bush authorized torture and have impeded investigations into its use.
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The President does not have unfettered right to intercept domestic communications without a court order. That has been the law since FISA was inaugurated in 1978. It is just fanciful bullshit to suggest the President has any other powers.
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Congress is a sieve for information ??? Get real !!! The oversight committees have an obligation to review what is happening within their respective departments. If the information is wrong or missing, then they can’t do their jobs. Certain committees that deal with security or sensitive information are review in secrecy. It was these committees that did not receive full briefings.
Would you care to back up your “sieve” accusation and point out which Congressman or Senator leaked national security information to the public?
BTW, as for the sieve, remember who outed the CIA agent for political purposes? Excepting one person, the rest in the White House still have their security clearance. That exception will need a Presidential pardon to stay out of jail.