The Hummers are that way you stupid earthlings!
National Geographic News – February 28, 2007:
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist’s controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.o
In 2005 data from NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide “ice caps” near Mars’s south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg’s Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
“The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,” he said.
The CXT, a truck for men without wangs!
This is music to Republican ears! Environmental destruction is one less thing to worry about (public opinion that is, they couldn’t care less).
The one pesky thing left in burning oil is that liberal hubbub on energy independence and national security. Sheesh, there’s always something about making a lousy buck
And there are people who didn’t already know this? This is old news, conveniently ignored by the Global Warming (TM) crowd.
By the way, there is no such thing as an oversize SUV.
Blah blah blah its not us blah. My point of view is that we know smog is caused by emissions, isn’t that enough of a reason rather than have legions of people trying to figure if their hummer fleet will melt the ice caps.
Also, this is my first post today but I have to wait 15 seconds between posts…. but it doesn’t seem to stop
I’m waiting for the Liberals to find a way to link global warming on Mars to the excessive polluting and greenhouse gas emissions here on Earth.
Al Gore is just the man to film a new movie about it and have Lucas and Spielberg create a special effects bonanza so good it convinces everyone!
Then there will be a second oscar…
Wait a minute. This warming on Mars started AFTER a visit by the Mars Lander! NASA caused this global warming! Let’s send Bill Clinton there to apologize to the Martians.
Hey Algore, I’ll give you the link. It’s those damned Mars Rovers that are polluting Mars.
I honestly don’t know why the libs like Algore so much. I mean, he invented the Internet (which I’ll admit, is a good thing), but he also invented Global Warming (TM). Gawd, just admit it – we’re all gonna die because of Algore!
Hell, I’ve known this for over a year. I still support driving smaller (fuel efficient) cars, and lowering pollution levels from industry. I just think it’s hubris to believe that we can “DESTROY MOTHER EARTH”…which is all I hear about. If we’re going to lower pollution, let’s do it for the right reasons….so our children will have a nicer planet when we’re gone. I live in the country…I like clean air and water. If I didn’t, I’d move to a city. However, the Global Warming crowd with their apocolyptic message just makes me want to go dirty the air just for spite.
If it isn’t happening because of CO2 and we’re starting to conserve the the oil and coal that produce CO2 then we win twice. Using crude oil to power cars is a profligate waste of s natural resource.
Increased Sun activity will slow down Apophis even more than predicted, so that when it swings by to us in 2036 it will be a major event.
I think those odds of Apophis hitting us are now looking worse. The religious nuts will say 1+1=2, the orbit of Apophis + the Sun’s awakening = judgment day, with a good 20 years of incremental heat before the event!
What would be cool would be for it to be captured in the Moon’s or Earth’s gravity well, so we end up with a second moon, and really funky nights, tides, and unpredictable wave patterns for the surfers.
Just when I plan to retire…
If you read the article it’s critical of the idea. The argument itself is fallacious, inferring from a local trend to a global trend, on the basis of only three (Martian) years. More info at
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192
#11 — you don’t really think the dudes who get their rocks off in an SUV give a hoot about science, rational thought or sound computational analysis, do you?
If some dunderhead professional “independent thinker” needs to catch a few more sound bites or click-throughs, all he need do is write an article claiming (1) global warming doesn’t exist; (2) folks who act for a living have too much political power; or (3) prayer really cures every ailment known to mankind. The gullible — who attempt to excuse their ignorance of scientific methods by calling themselves “conservatives” — will leap into action without the slightest consideration of standards or verification.
They demean the term “conservative. They abuse the history of scientific discovery. They turn discourse and discussion into a lark for trolls.
SUVs are legit penile extensions for Republicans.
13. “SUVs are legit penile extensions for Republicans.”
I know a lot of very liberal soccer moms who love huge SUVs. I think America’s obsession with SUVs goes way beyond mere politics.
#14 – and it does… Because its a stupid vehical* and so many of us are stupid. 🙁
*in the city… Urban dwellers in need of an SUV-like vehical need mini-vans. SUVs are for farms and should not be produced with luxery interiors.
I have spoken and so it shall be.
#13 & #14 & TheGlobalWarmer…it’s a safety misconception.
The soccer mom’s, I’ve talked to a few. They bought what they thought was the worlds safest vehicle, an SUV from GM/Ford/Chrysler.
The only SUV that I know that is totally safe is the one from Mercedez, with the roll-over bar. Next safest is Subaru.
The Big 3 SUV’s are death traps for both the occupants & those they hit. Statistics prove it.
Those soccer mom’s were better off with their mini-vans they traded in for those ugly monsters. I hardly think you’ll ever get stuck with a V6 AWD mini-van with winter tires, and that mini-van will still be less polluting than a similar sized SUV. And safer.
So the Big 3 simply let this SUV is safer than mini-vans misconception continue, because they make more profit.
The only SUV that I know that is totally safe is the one from Mercedez, with the roll-over bar. Next safest is Subaru.
The Big 3 SUV’s are death traps for both the occupants & those they hit. Statistics prove it.
Remember the problem some years ago with SUV’s and Firestone tires leading to rollovers?
J/P=?
Men without — * …
So THAT’S why I drive a 1987 Sentra.
Isn’t it fun to think we make a difference
Okay, it’s pretty well nailed down that human activities have led to increases in greenhouse gasses. Someone in another post contributed the chart at http://tinyurl.com/28m8hf -and that’s pretty unequivocal.
Next step. The mechanisms by which greenhouse gasses cause increased heat retention from incident UV radiation are well understood. Aside from ideological agendas, I don’t see why the debate isn’t about how much humans contribute, not whether human contribute, to warming.
If increased incident solar radiation is also warming Mars, doesn’t that make the situation here on Earth more, not less, urgent? Or are you saying the greenhouse effect is “only a theory” like evolution? I just don’t get your logic here. If that’s the right word for it.
20. “Or are you saying the greenhouse effect is “only a theory” like evolution? I just don’t get your logic here.”
I’m saying it doesn’t matter anyway. Given the choice of living in a world with or without giant gas guzzlers, I’d take global warming anyday. If it gets too hot, I can always just crank my truck’s AC!
Pluto, too.
This is old news. It still makes sense to develop wind and other alternative power sources! I enjoy some of the cheapest electricity due to a hydroelectric power canal that has paid for itself many times over. Windmills and an appropriate power grid would be like the investment of the freeway system in the U.S. The benefits would be for us and future generations to come. Pollution is never a good idea, we just should use a sober mind about the whole thing.
21 – I hadn’t thought of that. Maybe if everybody jusst cranked up their SUV air conditioning and opened the doors – jeez, what was I worried about!
And the irony is that the country with the biggest ratio of SUVs per capita is Japan and yet, these cars are so used only in urban areas that some rough road parks have been open.
Mark, you missed some of my points. Do you leave the trailer hooked up permanently? Can your Prius haul your boat out of the lake at a steep uphill landing?
When I talked about hauling a refrigerator I also said “on a whim” – that means no preplanning: you’re driving your normal 75 miles home from work, the wife calls and says “Honey, can you stop and pick up another refrigerator?”. You say OK, make a detour, buy the fridge load it it up and take it home right then and there (with the other detour to get the 10 cases of beer to load it with.)
#24 – I didn’t know that! Must be a nightmare in traffic.
#25 – TheGlobalWarmer You crack me up 🙂
The Prius can do what any regular V4 1.5l Engine w/Turbo can do.
You know it, I know it.
I never saw a Pontiac Grand Prix hauling a boat. A trailer with two SeaDoo’s, sure.
I definitely think you like pulling our legs. Anyways, get your catalytic upgraded, and great big letters on that over-sized bumper of yours.
PZEV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_zero-emissions_vehicle
Your big sized truck, upgraded ot PZEV, will help offset the methane gas you’ll give off passing those 10 cases of beer! 🙂 🙂 🙂
@#20 partial reply:
I posted on this topic before so appologies to people who already have seen my similar post.
Not only the Mars is warming but in the last 12-15 years we have clear evidence of Jupiter and Saturn warming, measured very well as it is based on the increased wind speeds we can detect easily. Changes are such that for example Jupiter’s Big Red Spot have moved in longitude first time since Gallileo’s time … Evidence for other planets is harder to get but most agree that they all are warming up during this period. Coincidentally, Sun activity is highest we know in the same period. Hence fair hypotesis that this warming is related to the Sun activity.
Now, if you roughly project how much Earth should have warmed in proportion, result is partly suprizing (particularly for the GW crowd). Just due to this effect alone Earth poles should be melting much faster than they do.
Final element of the puzzle: not only that we humans polute with CO2 but we also spew a lot of particulate matter in the sky. Some scentists in the ’70s actually predicted global COOLING due to this activity… There are also serious modern scientific papers on this topic but authors are not in agreement. Some think particulates should make warming even worst, some opposite. From the Astronomical evidence I side with the latter. Essentially, we are increasing CO2 and warming the planet but also shading it from the Sun and cooling it. To account for the astronomical evidence, we must be cooling it slightly more doing all this… To the best of available evidence I’d expect Earthj warming much more without our activity…
This by no means removes the danger of both CO2 and particulates… We are changing Earth chemistry on grand scale and some damage is measurable. Ex. change in ph levels of the oceans and related impact on the life there,… We should stop poluting despite the fact that it is not due to the threat of the GW…
I trust science enough that if we find more evidence to suggest this guy is right, then scientists will embrace it. It will not change the fact we would be better off to work very hard, and maybe use a larger portion of our wealth to develop cleaner energy.
But the global warming deniers are not a great font of virtue. Unless you are a paranoid crank and you believe that all of the evidence for global warming is either mistaken, or the result of a deliberate conspiracy, then the facts still suggest that global warming is real. Many of you are doing the same thing you accuse scientists of doing–jumping on the bandwagon of every study that purports to show GW is not real. I happen to be a person who does believe GW is real, but am open minded enough to look at all the evidence. What we can’t do is let several more decades go by before we do something.
>What we can’t do is let several more decades go by before we do
What happened to your open mind? Why can’t we do this?
Been there done this. Silent spring. earth in the balence. paul erlek and his population explosion. And got the tee shirt. The sky is falling and it is my fault. I am great and all powerful
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Oh, I see. An open mind requires that we do nothing.
It might take decades to develop alternate energy sources. I already mentioned that we should do something about trying to developing cleaner energy even if GW in untrue.