New Jesus Documentary Criticized
“The Lost Tomb of Christ,” which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries – small caskets used to store bones – discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.
One of the caskets even bears the title, “Judah, son of Jesus,” hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.
Cameron told NBC’S “Today” show that statisticians found “in the range of a couple of million to one in favor of it being them.” Simcha Jacobovici, the Toronto filmmaker who directed the documentary, said the implications “are huge.”
I like the quote from another story on this:
Local residents said they were pleased with the attention the tomb has drawn.
“It will mean our house prices will go up because Christians will want to live here,” one woman said.
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Here’s the original story posted yesterday:
Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you ‘The Titanic’ is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he’s sinking is Christianity.
In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn’t resurrected –the cornerstone of Christian faith– and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.
No, it’s not a re-make of “The Da Vinci Codes’. It’s supposed to be true.
Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene.
#30 Well you started it first, so there. Where’s my bat? I’m goin home.
28, there’s a repeating signal going on, it’s just been infrequent relative to our lifetimes. I believe in Jesus, and the resurrection of a visible form, the instantaneous oxidation of the physical form, and of course the ascension. This tv special or whatever will be a Yawwner, to be otherwise there would have to be some kind of proof, some original thought, some substance intellectual or physical. I think the Churches are going to crash, and I’m not really concerned about it. True religion is an individual thing and the overall mass of humanity will keep on believing… And when we again make contact with our cosmic betters some atheists will then believe, although ultimately many matters will remain a matter of faith, such as the actual Godhead, and the overall cosmic agenda. We will merely have superhuman storytellers teaching us the new religion, and they will not coddle the faithless with proofs of every little thing. In fact according the the Urantia papers, although we will know and see more and more throughout a nigh endless spiritual career of ascension… there will always be much more that we will still have to carry forward on faith.
Carry on, Irv
I hear repeating signals all the time, except when I’m wearing my aluminum hat, and even then I hear them unless I use quilted aluminum.
#20
Although I am an atheist, I tend to agree with Christians in this one area: It is improbable that the earliest disciples would try to pull a scam like this. There was no monetary benefit, and no logic to trying to lie about a resurrection.
I tend to think that Christianity was an apocalyptic, messianic, cult with some Greek mystery influences. The Jesus of Peter and Paul was a construct, not developed as a lie, but simply to fill the ritual ceremonies of the church and their interpretations of Hebrew “prophesy” and never meant to be real. There is no contemporaneous report of Jesus’ ministry, and Paul says literally nothing about Jesus’ life. He does not say who his parents were, where he preached, nothing about Pilate or the Jews (except in one disputed passage) and quotes the Old Testament and never “Jesus.”
Mark came later and was written as apocalyptic literature some decades later after the Temple fell. Maybe the Gentiles, not as familiar with this type of writing, took it too literally and as history, and Matthew and Luke were written from Mark and were more “biographical.”
We’ll never be able to hear signals from space with all this loud rap music drowning everything else out! And while I’m at it, you kids stay off my lawn!
I do a great “old guy” character because it fits me đ
I was under the impression – and correct me if I’m wrong – that researchers have been unable to verify that a man named Jesus born to Joseph and Mary of Nazareth ever actually existed. They weren’t even getting into the religion question, but simply trying to find out of a dude named Jesus walked the Earth. I couldn’t put my browser on it now, but I remember reading something about this (and not being surprised either).
Look at this site for a fairly reasonable outline of one theory.
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/
So, you guys are 100% sure that there’s no God, no Christ? You guys have more faith than most Christians–albeit, that faith is in yourselves and your own logic. I’ve made too many mistakes in my life to dare trust in myself or anyone else to explain the origins of the cosmos. I wish you all well in your lives, but especially hope you find peace and truth in God before you die.
#41
And God explained to you the origin of the Cosmos? Oh, yea, “In the beginning…”
At one time that was how people explained sickness, mental illness, lightning, earthquakes, etc: “God (or the devil) did it.”
We now know better.
It is not that I have faith there is no God, it is that I have no reason to believe in Zeus. Is that your God? Probably not. Well, I have no reason to believe in Allah, Jehovah, Jesus, Maya, Shiva, Mithras, Osiris, or any of the thousands of pagan gods out there either. And I find no comfort in a God that would grant you an eternity of happiness simply because you have “faith” and consign me to an eternity of conscious torment, because I don’t.
Cameron’s documentary isn’t really breaking new ground. This find was published in a few other books, the best being in my opinion a thriller published last year- âThe Bone Boxâ by Itamar Bernstein. Great read, whether you believe Jesusâ bones were found, or not.
I believe that God is often “wished into existence” as part of a deep-seated desire for final and unfailing justice. However, it doesn’t take much reading of the Bible to quickly find yourself no longer wishing the demon Yahweh into existence as the Creator of the universe. I’ve always said that the worst thing ever done for Christianity was putting the Bible into the public domain for everyone to read.
The God described in the Bible has such a wildly erratic sense of justice that it borders on schizophrenic. Killing thousands of innocent children in an act of terrorism to free “the chosen ones” from their Egyptian oppressors is only the beginning of the evil ascribed to the Hebrew/Christian God. There is so much more.
That said, I’ve never discounted the possibility that there could be a benign or benevolent Creator. And I hope she helps us find Bin Laden!
Plus, ditto everything Chris said đ
Oh, if it’s just the bone box, that isn’t proof. I’ve already seen that on “The Naked Archaeologist” on Vision TV. No religions will fall. Pity.
Here’s a poser: if the father of Jesus was the Holy Spirit (i.e., not a human man), what would Jesus’ DNA look like? Where would he get a Y chromosome? Does this mean that the Saviour was a woman?
#45 – Islam God too… Allah is the same chap as the Hebrew / Christian one.
Jim Cameron = lol
Like the supposed body of Christ has been in one spot all this time waiting for Mr. Cameron to show up with a camera. The impact of this film on the world will be as great as Cameron’s work on “Piranha Part Two: The Spawning.”
Infidel!
Some issue a fatwah on the evil James Cameron for this offense!
Oh, wait….wrong religion…
My mind has gone numb and lost all perspective. All my brain has left are these dumb questions:
1) Wouldn’t finding the bones of Christ prove he existed?
2) What does Christ look like? Is there a 2,000 year-old photo?
3) If not, then how do all the artists seem to know he had a beard?
4) How can we find the remains of someone who existed 2,000 years ago when we can’t even find Jimmy Hoffa today? Or the missing socks in my dryer yesterday?
5) How come they keep finding Noah’s ark on different mountains? Is it moving?
6) If someone from the State Bridge Authority tries to sell me a used bridge, can I trust him because he is credentialed? Do you think he will accept PayPal?
It’s sweeps. So what?
Just what the world needs at this time. An idiot of immense magnitude to stir things up.
#51 1) yes 2) no 3) jewish custom/law 4) how can we find 5,000,000 proto-humans? 5) we find ‘potential’ arks 6) no
#42 some think of Heaven and Hell as now (in analog or addition to afterlife)… so, how’s life? Anyway, those that think God = good would easily see that eternity with God is heavenly, and eternity without good is hellish. so maybe its not so much condemnation, as choice. Those who do not see God as good, just get angry at the idea of hell. Now, aside from the existence of God, anger adds just a little bit of hell to life.
All, why is everyone getting so worked up about ‘maybe’? this is non-news. besides that, how could they even prove it? its not like we have DNA samples to test against, and would the bones even have DNA left after 2000 years?
Suppose, hypothetically, that this claim could be verified as completely true. Can’t you just see the follow up headline?
REMAINS OF JESUS CHRIST EXHUMED
Medical experts report remains “100% dead”.
FP — Jerusalem – Forensic scientists announced that the 2,000 remains unearthed during a construction project are, in fact, the remains of Jewish Rabbi Jesus Christ, believed by Christians to be a messiah sent to earth by God. While the discovery has been described as “difficult” and “challenging” by Biblical scholars and Biblical literalists in particular, as the development seemingly contradicts the widely-held belief that Christ was resurrected from the dead, it’s impact has paradoxically proved to be the hardest to reconcile for atheists, who previously held that the power of Christian denial might be, on some level, contingent upon reality or otherwise responsive to demonstrable fact.
Pedro recommended mu metal instead of Aluminum foil. After reading all this, I think I need some for a new hat. Anybody got any of that for sale, maybe on eBay?
King of the World discovers King of Kings! That’s coming up…after we visit Britney in rehab. And, painted cats!
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We only have to find Mohamad now… The only religion that is not possible to disprove is Judaism… they have no earthly diety to be discovered because they were smart about it, the people who created that religion knew just like the mob… YOU CANT HAVE A BODY!!!!
the only thing i cant figure out though is if there is no body in the tomb just a coffin, how can he PROVE the resurection didnt happen? i posted the last comment also
ohh yea one more thing… what the hell is DNA going to prove, is there some Jesus DNA somewhere that we dont know about?? Somone has Jesus’ old hairbrush… I am not defending Christianiny, growing up in the bible belt as a jew (You could just imagine what I have gone through from these jerk so called “Evangelical Christians, who seem to be the scum of the Earth based on how they treat people with different views, or faiths, there is nothing Angelical about them!!) I am DEFINATELY not defending Christianity but these are just questions I have,
Hey # 51 i am with ya, and I dont think they found the bones!! thats the point i have, and right no one knows what Jesus looked like all we know is that it is almost definate that he didnt look like they say he does now, he most definately not White, either Black, or Middle Eastern just like all the other jews of the time… And we wont fing Jimmy, untill they tear down Giants Stadium!! He is in a corner stone, finding Jimmie Hoffa or any other Mob victim who they dont want you to find would be alot more difficult than finding jesus, becaue the mob puts people where they cant be found, and the followers of jesus probably just barried him, and with alot of Gusto probably. If they didnt want him to be found they should have put him in the cornerstone of St. Peters!!
#56 — to the contrary, there are some that believe Jesus’ resurrection was not in flesh, but only that he appeared to the masses in spirit form. (In a StarGate Daniel Jackson sorta way??) It is possible this belief could gain minds should some veritable evidence of Jesus’ body be found.
I don’t find a problem with the resurrection story, as long as we understand that it is a myth. It is only when Christian try to ascribe historical validity to it that I’m reminded that Richard Dawkins referred to the belief in myths as a form of mental illness.
But those who don’t want to believe will continue to ignore the documentary evidence for the New Testament and the signs & wonders performed by his disciples, including us today. Jesus Christ of Nazareth never forced anyone to believe. One can believe because of Christians or in spite of Christians, like I did.
32: “Religion is a faith based, mind numbing process that strips away the personâs independence and replaces it with âfeel good gooâ.
replace ‘religion’ with ‘liberalism’