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Thank you John, and Uncle Dave and all the guys at DU. It’s nice to know that a good ol’ Mac vs. PC war is on a couple times a week…It’s like…uh… well, duelling soccer fans over their teams. And I love it!
I hate this site sometimes. You have morons like pedro that are so against Apple they slam it at every turn even though he’s about as informed as a 2 year old. Strike that, a 2 year old makes more sense. He slams it, but just reading what he says it’s blatantly obvious the closest he’s been to OSX is from seeing a few screenshots. He’ll fire back with some lie stating how he’s been using them for blah blah blah blah. Just STFU pedro.
Then on the OTHER side of the spectrum you have Mac fanboys that act paranoid and seem to think the world is against them. They can’t take one criticism from anyone….no matter how constructive it may be. Lighten the hell up! It’s a fricken OS. It’s not a religion no matter how many people are passionate about it. It’s a nice OS. XP is a nice OS. Your descion to use one or the other is not Earth shattering nor should it define you as a person. Get over yourselves.
And the Linux people are still saying how Linux is now ready for the Desktop….any…day…now….
Oh, and stay tuned for pedros attempt at a witty response. I can’t wait!
I’ll wait for the director’s cut.
The best Vista version is the hacked one that won’t shut down 10 days after installing it on a PC just because you don’t care about registering it.
Suck it up Macheads, I for one I’m not interesting into buying a new computer every time a new OSX version is released.
#36 – None
“You have morons like pedro that are so against Apple they slam it at every turn even though he’s about as informed as a 2 year old.”
pedro isn’t alone. See?
#39 – Angel H. Wong
“…buying a new computer every time a new OSX version is released”
Another malicious individual who has no problem with uttering idiotic untruth as if it were incontestable fact.
FYI, Mac expert, the current version, 10.4.8, runs on 10-year-old iMacs like the one I gave my friend’s daughter, as well as the box I use for the Net, that I write these words on, an ancient 350MHz G3, which is what? 5 generations obsolete? And when 10.5 comes along in a few months, it’ll run just fine on it.
Your aspersion is 100% pure horseshit. Where do you pathological Mac-bashers get your misinformation?
Oh, BTW, that last question was rhetorical. Every one of you rabid Apple haters have this incredible tendency to somehow go suddenly, totally silent when your bullshit is exposed as such.
Since you’ll be no exception, I won’t hold my breath awaiting any reply…
Let’s see you run Vista on a 10-year-old PeeCee. Then come back and tell me about “buying a new computer every time a new version is released.”
As per usual, Microsoft fucks users over and you can’t wait to point the finger at Apple. It’s a hoot.
#28 Too many versions of Vista? I want one more. Vista Lite.
No DRM, no users, simple, easy to manage text files for startup programs and drivers instead of the registry crap etc etc.
Yeah, and I would like a Selma Hayak/Penelope Cruz sandwich.
What are the chances of either of these happening?
Lauren the Ghoti,
OMG, you are so full of shit. Just earlier today I was looking at OSX running on G3’s in the used computer store. It runs like crap on old G3’s. THATS NOT USABLE!!
You are such a f’ing liar.
OMG how lame.
Well…Lauren… I’m a 10Year old Mac owner. And a 5 and a 15. My 500Mhz G3 iBook crawls along with Tiger soo much I wouldn’t call it running. Never dream of installing it on the PowerMac 7200 (90Mhz PPC 601) I bought around 96/97. Oddly enough, the Mac I’m most fond is the original LC (16Mhz 68020). I turned it on recently and it still worked. I’ll wait some more 10 years and put it on eBay hoping it will pay me the $$$ I spent on the rest.
I’ve said this earlier here but the iBook was a turning point for me. 5 years ago I bought a Desktop PC and the iBook. I was planning to start working at home and to buy two Macs would kill my budget. And to buy the G4 Portable was too expensive at the time. For the price of a 800mhz G4 15″ Laptop I bought the 1200Thunderbird PC and the iBook. Even so, the iBook was almost twice the cost of the PC. But I wanted Mac badly because I was using Macs ever since the MacII. Never had to really live with a PC daily. Guess what? I’m still typing on the Athlon, and it’s my main machine @ home. And I’ve spent almost 50% of it’s original cost on Harddisks, Graphics boards and DVD readers and Recorders. Still the running cost is under the iBook. And the iBook is useless for the last 2.5 years, when the battery died.
I’ll be buying a coreduo something in a month or two. but this machine will not die soon. It will be my wife’s machine (she just reads email and chats online so it’s plenty for her for years.).
Bottom line: Sure, I like Macs, but I just won’t get caught spending my hard earned cash on those suckers…again.
As for Vista: Guess why I’m moving to buy a new PC… because I can still get them with OEM XP, that’s why. If I wait more 6 months I’ll be stuck with Vista, that I’m hoping just to use 5 years from now when I’ll be buying the Dual OctoCore with Dual Dual nVidias…
Hey Pedro, in #31, I think your #28 corresponds to my #27, because that Clearification thing is …just…so…bad…he’s missing an I for Idiot in his HAND TOSS.
Just because I recommend Mac OS X to computer illiterates n00bs doesn’t warrant all the bad things that came my way.
Look at it from the POV that I’m actually doing a favor to the PeeCee community, one less botnet. But no, they all want those fancy Three-Dee games, and actually think that :
1. a clone is cheaper than an HP or Dell at Best Buy
2. for the privilege of selling them a computer at 5% markup, that I will include 500$ of free software
3. it’s easy to rip DVD movies
4. they can download 50,000 mp3 songs w/o getting a virus/malware for free
I did two XP machines during the Xmas holidays, from parts. Asus M2N-E MB, AMD 3800+, 1 gig ram, SB Live, dvd-burner, asus-nvidia GeForce 7600GT Silet, 160g sata, cute box, XP SP2 oem. About 1k$ Can (say 800$ US).
THAT IS DIRT CHEAP for such high quality components. No fans on the MB or on the video card, so less to go wrong.
It took me under 2 hours to install in a Alienware-clone looking box. Slick.
Now, how long did it take to install XP SP2, patch it, all the way to Open Office? 2 hours? 3? 4? TWENTY FRIGGING HOURS
Well, games like Guild Wars, Wow, BF2142, Doom3, HL2, Halo all look beautiful in 1280×1024 with all High Settings.
Well, before trying XP, since I’m an IT company, I have full MSDN, so I tried Vista Ultimate RC2 on one of them just for fun.
Yuck is all I can say. Because it’s not INTEL but AMD, the DVD-boot Vista, direct for Microsoft, would NOT install.
I had to get a special ISO image and patch it !!!
Boy I sure hate working IS like #23 Mark does. IT is so much better. I do it from time-to-time as a torture mechanism and to have some sympathy for the IS techies.
It used to be fun, even three years ago, building a damn good PC from all high quality parts, installation was fast with XP SP1.
Now? In those 20+ hours, you have to monitor the machine constantly, as you have to reboot it so many times.
Especially with kids in the house, fully protected, it gets destroyed usually within a month, and the parent(s) cringe when I say I’m going to Ghost it back to what is was before.
Because they have to reinstall all their games & programs.
For all those hassles, it’s just not worth the trouble, when I can gross 500$ profit in half a day building a Tiny Website with a custom data engine that ties into their LAN’s Win2003 database server.
Gaming PC with Windows OEM OS (and free upgrade to Vista), 1000$
Twenty+ hours to get it *just right*
Kids & parents all want to use it. Sorry, Open Office, I don’t do pirated copies of Microsoft office.
Versus
1500$ Mac that doesn’t do gaming. So add 500$ for XBox 360 and a Nintedo Wii.
The difference to me? I’m not spending the money. At least pay me for those 20 hours for a decent XP SP2 installation w/Ghost backup, look at how much money you’re saving by not buying a Mac.
Oh, for the uninformed, I’m President of my own company with three employees. I think I can handle all the Mark’s and Pedro’s, the PC industry and Circuit City/Best Buy needs those dedicated employees.
One word of advice. Start an incorporation, charge 40$ an hour for house calls or a 100$ flat-fee, bring lots of spare computer parts, small UPS’s and power bars. You’ll make easy 200$ a visit.
I know 2 guys doing this, making a very decent living. There’s even a guy on Craiglist in CA that exchanges their services for sexual relations with females. So, go get ’em cowboy!
Thank Microsoft for job creation!
#42 –
Well, I’ve run OS X since before it was released to the public, and you spent, what, two minutes in a store clicking on things, so… I guess you’re right.
#43 – JoaoPT
I wouldn’t say it runs quickly, but it’s more than adequate on the G3 for general Net use, with Dashboard disabled, some fine tuning and putting the swapfile on a dedicated HD. For serious use, that’s what I have a dual 2gig G5. When I get my killer Xserve w/ dual 30-inchers in a few months, the G5 becomes my Web machine and the G3 goes to a friend who just wants e-mail & eBay.
What I was saying, I think you know already, is that PeeCee lifespan, so far as the ability of the HW to keep up with OS development, is a lot shorter than the Mac’s. Ol’ Angel there is simply talking out his ass with this “buy a new computer for each version” bullshit. Pretty funny, considering how few PeeCee owners will be able to run even Vista Basic, forget Aero & all the fancy stuff. Talk about screwing your customers…
C’mon, pedro, you bash Apple in about every third sentence you type. It’s enough to make someone wonder if Steve didn’t run over your dog with his SL65 or something…
Lauren Lauren Lauren…
I’ve already have a FAIRLY OK net experience with the PC that was 2/3 of the price of the Mac. Why should I trade it for a BARELY ADEQUATE net experience from the same Mac?
Your answer: buy an Xserve with two 30″ displays… yeah… right. (and why would you bus a rackmounted machine to do desktop use, just baffles me… specially when it supports only one up to 23″ monitor… http://tinyurl.com/32be8a )
[ed: use tinyurl.com for long urls]
Sorry, your answer is to use the dual G5… I got the things mixed…
fare is fare…
#46 Microsoft is a monopoly, and has an business obligation to design software tuned for today’s PC hardware.
I don’t agree with their bell’s and whistles, but the core is solid.
It’s the best OS designed by hundreds, with 2000 and XP experience.
It’s the business aspect and influence for the top layer – media management & playback, that 3 don’t agree with.
I’m free to use third-party.
So the business end screws up the design end. They could have easily made an XP emulator for the drivers, and made them run in protected memory.
But no, business end wants Hollywood to be happy.
As soon as I have drivers for all my hardware, I will use Vista and know I’ll love it then.
To me it’s normal to seriously upgrade hardware every third year.
I just wish they made XP SP3 a priority, which would be the Vista Lite.
Since XP SP2, I have had no problems. This OS is bought and paid for. Why should I get something else I don’t need?
Lauren,
You just have proven my theory on why nobody cares about making Mac viruses: It’s so easy to anger mac users that it’s not funny, it’s boring.
And btw if macs are superior to PCs then why in it’s 30 YEARS OF EXISTANCE (and their famous superbowl commercial) Apple didn’t overthrew M$ just like they bragged they would?
Macs are like Hybrid cars, their owners feel superior to the rest of the world and the rest of the world doesn’t care at all.
#41. What’s that in computer speak? A brunette binary bootloader?
I do use Windows, with as many features turned off as I can possibly find, but … some of the posts above look like multiple rants by the same person, using different handles. I’m not talking about any of the “regular” names … they look like themselves!
keep your hands on your wallets, friends. MS is turning the screws on the use of upgrade and OEM versions –
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070128-8717.html
what a huge pain in the ass that is going to be. Have to do a full install of XP and THEN install your upgrade version of Vista.
doug,
Sounds like you are an OEM if you are doing a lot of installs of vista. Here is where you can get a very fair price for oem’s such as yourself. the OEM version is even less then the upgrade, and if you are building your own hardware, you really are an OEM anyhow…
http://tinyurl.com/2kowoa
[ed: start using tinyurl.com or your long urls will be deleted]
Nothing new here at all.
Oh the horror! MS expects you to pay for their software!!
#55. Actually, Greg, I have done my share of windows reinstalls – nothing gets performance back to where it used to be like wiping the HD and starting over. One of the many fun features of Windows is that it bogs down over time.
Were I to have to start with my full OS installed before installing my subsequent upgrades, I would have to start with frickin’ Win98SE, vastly increasing the time it takes to get my system back to where it was. fortunately my copy of XP does not take a full OS install before upgrading.
I never said that I minded paying for Windows. What I DO mind is this control-freakish mindset that makes life much harder for legit users.
Mark Derail- first I would like to apologize somewhat for jumping down your throat, it was a little out of line. Lets just say it was Saturday night I had been skiing in Telluride Colorado all day and was a little drunk. You see us Circuit City boys do quite well.
Oh and as far as working in IS, yes I do, after having sold my company in the Virgin Islands, I decided to take some time off and let someone else be boss for awhile, its very liberating actually. I too was president of my own company with 13 employees. I have a EE degree and have done quite well for myself, so going back to college to learn programming……probably wont happen. But I am now semi retired and at 50 will be fully retired so that I can return to my house in the islands. Not too bad for Circuit City boy. Do you really want to get into a pissing contest. (And I dont work for CC, nor would ever lower myself to working for straight retail). We are a consulting firm, Apple, IBM, HP Compaq dealer, specializing in Network fiber install, and commercial grade UPS’ (thats uninterruptible power supplies) to the range of 30KVA (thats Kilovolt Amps to you) sales and service.
You make a lot of comments concerning your expertise, and I have no doubt you can talk the talk. But why would it take ANYONE a week (previous post) or to install Windows XP, or even 20 hours. That to me is bullshit. You stated that you started with SP2 and it still took you 20 hours? Are you still on a 2400 baud modem? It takes me 4 hours, tops. And thats starting with SP1.
You say its NOT easy to rip DVD Movies, BS. Try CloneDVD. Yeah try it for free and buy it for 39.00. Its so easy even a caveman could do it (I love those Geico cavemen). I’m tired now, I dont have the energy to debate point by point. Guess I’m gettin old, or those 2 women I picked up last night in T-ride just plum tuckered me out. (yes, that part is a joke, dammit).
But again accept my apology for being a shit, I generally dont like the Mac vs. PC debate, they do both have pros and cons.
I’ll turn you over to Pedro who will finish you off.
“What I was saying, I think you know already, is that PeeCee lifespan, so far as the ability of the HW to keep up with OS development, is a lot shorter than the Mac’s.”
Lauren, I like you. I enjoy your posts’ for the most part, but as far as the above, sir, you are dead wrong. The Vista upgrade is really the FIRST MS Upgrade I have seen that really requires a beefier machine. I have seen people put XP on some of the trashiest crap ever, and yet it seems to work well, if not perfectly. And THAT is a tribute to MS support for damn near any piece of hardware manufactured. Apple could never do this (nor do they want to). Having said that, to my chagrin, I still get people who bring their computers to me with Windows 3.1, yes, I kid you not.
Everytime MS releases a new OS the haters come out guns blazing… too bad their guns ain´t that big.
I love new technology, and I will try Vista in 24 hours. I will purchase it on windowsmarketplace.com as soon as it´s available.
And then, I will have the right to an opinion, unlike the square douchebags who are so obviously biased, yet they believe it´s in everyone´s interest to hear out their ignorant and pointless rants.
Someone here pointed me to http://www.clearification.com , and I want tho thank you. One of the best websites out there 🙂
#49 – JoaoPT
“why would you bus a rackmounted machine to do desktop use, just baffles me… specially when it supports only one up to 23″ monitor…”
Well, it’s not really desktop use, it’s to be the core of a transportable AV studio…
Yes, rock-stock the Xserve is limited to a 23″ Cinema – because the onboard X1300 vid has only 64Mb – but I’m gonna put a 512Mb X1300 (which drives 2 30″s) in slot 1. So actually, I could run 2 30″s AND a 23″…
#44 Mark Derail
You are the biggest crap IT in history, mr.President (ahah)… the only reason your family´s machine keeps crashing is because you don´t know how to set it up in the first place. I´m not even going to give you tips, because you are another lost cause…
Macs are for newbie IT´s, it´s like having Media Player act like an OS.
I’m going to hold off until I buy my next PC with Vista already installed.
My current laptop will run it, but I’d rather not pay the cash for it.
(and I was part of the beta test)
After trying Ubuntu Linux on an older PC I have, I could use it as a primary “home” OS very easily. Except for the gaming issue.
PC Gamer even changed their name to Windows Gaming Monthly because no other OS is as easy to get games up and running out of the box.
#58 Mark – Apology accepted, my regards. Sorry if I off’ed you. So much crap in this thread.
So, for all the Dildos out there:
– I endorse XP Sp3
– I don’t use, sell, or want a Mac. It’s an English word called c-o-m-p-a-r-i-s-o-n to make newbs understand the value of paying for software.
– I don’t use Vista yet because of driver issues. Once Vista works properly on my laptop & desk computer, I’ll be the first one to use and custom program widgets.
20 hours, btw, is starting from booting of the XP Sp2 CD, formatting 160gigs NTFS, filling in all the blanks, reboots, then 60+ additional updates w/reboots, then Media Player 11, then Internet Explorer 7, Firefox, AVG, the DVD-suite, the game(s) they bought, etc.
If they would release SP3 with WM 11 & IE 7, the install time would drop to a reasonable 4-5 hours.
I don’t ever deliver a machine w/o all the updates, drivers, software, all configure, and a full Ghost image. And I get paid to do it, thanks to c-o-m-p-a-r-i-s-o-n with the non-PC market.
Yep I use CloneDVD, legally bought. I’m griping about how cheap people are, they all want the software for free (pirated), and that I install it for them.
Nowadays for 1,000$ you get a damn good PC compared to what 2,000 got you in 2002-3, and people don’t want to spend 500$ in software.
My current hardware:
12 XP desktops w/VM Ware (for platform tests), three XP laptops, 4 Windows 2003 Enterprise servers, SQL Server Enterprise, Exchange.
Not a Mac lover, not a Mac user. Get it Troll #62?
Mac is a niche market, slowly making headway into homes because of their lowered price range.
Competition is good.
Look what Firefox did to Microsoft – we got IE7 right away, without having to upgrade to Vista.
Pedro, you actually think Microsoft was not influenced by Firefox? That if Firefox never became popular, we would have had IE7 released before Vista?
What is the time line then? If you’re so informed, say so, back it up with proof/links, rather than over using your lousy rhetoric.
Pedro, you actually think Microsoft was not influenced by Firefox? That if Firefox never became popular, we would have had IE7 released before Vista?
What is the time line then? If you’re so informed, say so, back it up with proof/links.