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Sounds about right to me. Some how I doubt too many people, with the exceptions of tech heads, will be running out to buy the Vista upgrade. Only through new computer sales will Vista make any traction. I for one wouldn’t touch it with a hundred foot pole.
Clever, but improbable, unless at the Apple DevCon in July they announce MacOSX ported to PCs. Man, wouldn’t that shake them up!
Mac OSX for PCs would be worth trying, if Apple didn’t charge more for it than M$ does for Vista.
As for me, what with all the “we pwn u” crap M$ is building into Vista, I suspect WinXP will be my last Windows. I’m already booting up in Linux more than half the time, just because I don’t feel slimed when I run it. And the latest versions I’ve tried (Xandros, Ubuntu, and a few others, plus FreeBSD ‘nix someday soon when I feel brave and have the time) – they’re really very good. Stable, clean, easy to learn. Screw Vista and the digital rights management horse it rode in on.
Right on the money.
Ported… The intel macs are already PCs (except for that BIOS thingy…)… But one thing makes them away from the PC wild life… (other than Apple being a hardware company that needs OSX to sell the boxes, duh…):
Drivers… without them OSX won’t run on 90% of the hardware…but then again, there’s a lot of ‘nix they can borrow from…
I think what you will start seeing in homes is 1 pc running Vista for apps and games, and a linux box used for handling ripping cd’s, videos, copying data cd’s.
6. Yeah right, the average Joe is going to start running Linux at home. What is wrong with you Linux lovers anyway? This will happen, never in a million fucking years.
Dont confuse me with a linux lover… far from it. But when I cannot easily copy content I own I (and I really believe lots of others) will find another way.
#3
I hear you. Windows 2000 is my last MS OS at home.
For the HOME user, Windows is nothing but a bad nightmare.
Take a 1000$ PC. No software, it costs 500$ to get decent software like Microsoft Office suite and Photoshop.
For 1500$ Mac OS X, you have all the software you need, minus the headaches.
I kept telling friends & family, MAC and Microsoft PC costs the same.
Their response?
Can you install for me Microsoft Office, Photoshop, Bear Share, anti-virus, anti-spyware in my new PC please?
HA! Leave your box at my office for a week. After doing all the Windows updates, I install Open Office, Paint . Net, Spybot S&D, Grisoft AVG, bit torrent with homepage on PirateBay.
Takes about a month for them to screw it up.
Everyone in the last five years that went the Macintosh Way, today thank me.
Oh, my company just does Windows .Net (C#, VB.Net and Visual Foxpro) programming for businesses. Go figure.
Linux for the average Joe Home User is just not there yet. For businesses for doing Remote Desktop on a Windows 2003 server, SLED from Novell/IBM is worth looking into.
How about just staying with XP? I have yet to hear one compelling reason to upgrade.
I have to chuckle at the cartoon — and agree. It was a decision I made when the Mini came out and bought one to experiment with. Now, we have 2 Minis, 2 laptops running OS X — one of those with Yellow Dog Linux, as well.
Watching dl.tv, today — after Cranky Geeks, of course — I was surprised to hear Vista is going to be costing more than my last copy of XP Pro. It sounds as if the average price of Vista is about double the usual price of any iteration of OS X. Phew!
Cranky Geeks had the beginnings of a really interesting discussion about the task facing college IT pros — who will be faced with freshmen walking in the door with Vista loaded on those shiny new laptops. No choice there for either students or IT types.
Wow, Microsoft dropped the ball in the home computer market for six years and no one managed to come close to their market dominance, or utility.
Complaining about Microsoft at this point is just sour grapes. By the end of 2008 some version of Vista will be on >70% of computers in circulation. DirectX 10 games will be all the rage, and OSX and desktop Linux will be fading memories. DRM will continue to be optional, and only relevant if you opt into a DRM scheme, like fair play.
We will all be using Vista in 6 months and Mac OS X will be a proven failure… it´s facts people.
What does Apple have? A toy-like OS with “parental controls” for us business people? I can buy 10 Pc´s on the price of a apple desktop. OS X is a fashion statement, nothing else.
No one wants to buy expensive apple hardware, no wants to use a copy of windows called linux (made by your friendly hacker) just because it´s free. It´s a Windows world, and all you stereotypical Fud-crackheads will learn to live with it…
Fanboys are a sad breed, jeez, can´t see a cartoon without proclaiming the end of a trillion-dollar industry…fucking grow up.
Funboy, you should ask your doctor if you can double up the dosage.
Which Mac OS should you buy? The first one, because there is only one OS, and there is only one laptop, and only one desktop… because Apple is just a bunch of greedy sons of bitches and won’t allow for individuality. Doesn’t anyone remember that 1984 commercial? Ironically, Apple has become the ones to enslave all their sheep with the same brush-metal colored cloaks and veils. Funny, when I was a kid I always thought Bill Gates was the anti Christ (what with all those conspiracy theories; William Gates III in ASCII, the valley of hell in Excel 95). Now we all know the true anti Christ dons the form of a balding man who never changes his black apparel and slowly shows the world how time travel can be devilishly profitable.
Oh and I thought the comic was funny. =)
Comical to listen to the same boring arguments from the same boring mac fanboys.
No one wants your ridiculous OSX; no one wants your ridiculous limitations on hardware or software, and no one surely wants to be associated with the likes of YOU.
When the best response a mac fan boy can give me to the question of ‘games?’ is ‘boot camp!’ then you know your OS is DONE.
Interesting war of words…
I will be rolling out Vista upgrades for all the machines on my company. It´s got a lot of power under the hood (things that you probably never heard of), it looks good, it´s more stable, more secure, and it´s the only viable option. Mac, Linux? I want established technology, not something that never faced hordes of hackers trying to break into it.
I find the Mac community annoying and smug, and have no interest in investing my money on people who talk the talk, but can´t walk. For example, one can see many ads where Apple proclaims invulnerability, yet, lately I´ve see a ton of news reporting flaws and vulnerabilities on their software. And the darn thing is still in it´s infancy market-wise.
No software is safe. I prefer to invest in something tried and tested. Microsoft has dealt with the best hackers out there, and I am sure they have developed a strong culture of security. Apple, on the other hand, have never faced an onslaught of attacks, partly because their OS is really just a toy (Parental Controls, anyone?)…
I really don´t see a reason to buy a Mac (even at home), or to even discuss if it will ever be a successfull option. It´s just a ridiculous discussion. If Macs ever become a business tool, then count me in.
Tech only means something to me if I can save money and improve my business. Now, pretty $2000 computers to show off as a fashion statement at the mall? No, but thanks for asking.
Which version.. Isn’t it obvious?
The Microsoft Windows Vista Small-To-Medium Home-Based Business Ultimate Upgrade Unattended Install Expansion Pack Double Half-Caff Mocha Latte Frappuccino Adam and Eve on a Raft Over Easy 10W-30 Weight 120 Proof Marlo Push-off Kennedy Center-deal Rimjob Teabag 69 Gold Plated “Gates of of Hell” Limited Edition 1.0 … With Plus!
It’s the only choice! 🙂
the final part of that comic is missing…
you know, the one where the customer says “I already have a computer.”
“Take a 1000$ PC. No software, it costs 500$ to get decent software like Microsoft Office suite and Photoshop.”
BS. The average home user uses Microsoft Word, they want to get their email, and they want to surf the web occasionally. Business users are different, but thats a different market. Alomost 0 (thats zero) home user care about Photoshop. They want to see the pics they have taken and share them with friends. That, my friend, is reality.
“Can you install for me Microsoft Office, Photoshop, Bear Share, anti-virus, anti-spyware in my new PC please?”
Most PC vendors bundle MS Office for a minimum price. Damn near free. But your recommendation of Spybot S&D betrays your experience. A combination of Windows Defender (free) and AVG (free) is all you need.
“my company just does Windows .Net (C#, VB.Net and Visual Foxpro) programming for businesses. Go figure.”
Go figure your company has some business savvy, and your IT people made good business decisions, sounds like you are lucky to have a job.
“I kept telling friends & family, MAC and Microsoft PC costs the same”
I cant even comment about that, you are delusional, and your family should disown you.
“Takes about a month for them to screw it up.”
Yeah, as a Mac tech, do you have ANY idea how bad it is on this side,
I’m sure you dont, but its actually worse. And the reason is because of fanbois who spew this bullshit and dont have to deal with the AVERAGE EVERYDAY USER. I ant talkin bout friends and family. Soon, I am going back to corporate support, where there is sanity.
I for one will most definately upgrade to Vista… about six to nine months after release…
Not because I’ll be waiting for patches and bugfixes (although that would be a good enough reason), but rather because there is no compelling need. Despite what geeks (and I’m a geek) say… Windows XP is stable, easy to use, and actually reports the highest level of consumer satisfaction of any MS product ever.
Microsoft’s biggest issue is selling an already satisfied user base on the idea that Vista offers something better. For me, that something better is DX 10 – which won’t be of any value until there are enough compelling software titles that require it – or until I build my next box. My current box can handle Vista just fine, but as a game platform it is beginning to show its age.
But for people who aren’t me, what is there to offer? A prettier interface? It’s like Office. They will release a shiney new Office, but are there actually features you need that aren’t already there in the version you have. I run Office XP because I was given a copy (legal) that had everything in it. If I had not I’d still be using Office 2000 which was more than good enough for what I used to need and for what I need now.
The most disappointing thing about Vista is exactly what the cartoon demonstrates. Too many versions (and too expensive – although I doubt that the price will be a barrier for me – but not everyone has my contacts, just like I’m sure more than a few of you have ways to get the goods without paying through the nose)
There should just be a Home and Pro version, and roll Media Center in as an option at install (so I can not use it as there are too many better third party solutions).
Aero is simply not a draw. I run apps and games… Not look at the desktop… and I really don’t care if my desktop is slick. In XP I set it up to look like Win2K and have no wallpaper or screensaver.
Well, I for one will most definately upgrade to Vista… about six to nine months after release…
Not because I’ll be waiting for patches and bugfixes (although that would be a good enough reason), but rather because there is no compelling need. Despite what geeks (and I’m a geek) say… Windows XP is stable, easy to use, and actually reports the highest level of consumer satisfaction of any MS product ever.
Microsoft’s biggest issue is selling an already satisfied user base on the idea that Vista offers something better. For me, that something better is DX 10 – which won’t be of any value until there are enough compelling software titles that require it – or until I build my next box. My current box can handle Vista just fine, but as a game platform it is beginning to show its age.
But for people who aren’t me, what is there to offer? A prettier interface? It’s like Office. They will release a shiney new Office, but are there actually features you need that aren’t already there in the version you have. I run Office XP because I was given a copy (legal) that had everything in it. If I had not I’d still be using Office 2000 which was more than good enough for what I used to need and for what I need now.
The most disappointing thing about Vista is exactly what the cartoon demonstrates. Too many versions (and too expensive – although I doubt that the price will be a barrier for me – but not everyone has my contacts, just like I’m sure more than a few of you have ways to get the goods without paying through the nose)
There should just be a Home and Pro version, and roll Media Center in as an option at install (so I can not use it as there are too many better third party solutions).
Aero is simply not a draw. I run apps and games… Not look at the desktop… and I really don’t care if my desktop is slick. In XP I set it up to look like Win2K and have no wallpaper or screensaver.
It would be so much better if Mac and Linux would just call it quits. Having choices is for losers.
Microsoft is my religion.
justme,
It is sick and twisted… But microsoft even has the answer to that sentiment.
http://www.clearification.com/
#23 Mark, oh boy you made me laugh so hard !!! Being taken as a Mac fanboy, Bwahahaha . . . . … Bwahahaha!
I don’t own a single Mac, and nobody ever bought a Mac that I suggested them to as an Alternative. The Mac price tag burns them. Near-Zero games burns them.
My point was that Mac prices are down quite a bit. If you add it all up all the software, with equivalent PC software, Mac isn’t really that much more expensive.
However, not working the lowly IS job on a daily basis, I have to trust you #23 that it’s worse on Mac for the average Joe User. Working at Circuit City is hard, I can imagine.
#23, for blowing up like that, one suggestion. Go back to school, get a programming minor (.Net & SQL), go into IT and make at least twice the salary. Less stress guaranteed, work in an office. Laugh at the other programmers that don’t know the difference between SATA, SCSI, and IDE hard disks.
Windows Defender…all my IS friends tell me to use it, but somehow a non-profit non-Microsoft anti-malware free program makes sense to me. Spybot S&D is far from being crap.
As the saying goes, “Any software, once perfected, is obsolete.”
So that spells the end of XP, it’s darn near perfected with over 60 patches after installing SP2.
Too many versions of Vista? I want one more. Vista Lite.
No DRM, no users, simple, easy to manage text files for startup programs and drivers instead of the registry crap etc etc.
once again if you do not live on the coast or in a university town you will not find a mac. It amazes me how 5% of the market can get so much free publicity and still not sell. I tried them did not see much differance. So I stayed with the standerd.
I can say the only reasons I’m running Vista is because I get it for free and–due to the site license for my university–there is only one choice (Vista enterprise edition). Needless to say, I’m one of those aforementioned “college IT guys” from comments above…
I also use OS X frequently, and do enjoy it. Microsoft finally caught up after, oh, 6 years? And, FWIW, every person that I have ever recommended a Mac to for their own personal use has never regretted their purchase…
Lipstick on a pig.