If these are really man-made from back then, kinda kicks the rug out of that evangelical “Earth is only 6000 years old” belief or no? Oh that’s right, carbon-dating is bogus.
It seems that most every culture has a legend of a great society, ripe with wealth and wisdom, which is lost to the sea. To westerners these are the stories of Atlantis or Thule. To many of the peoples of the South Pacific it is Lemuria or Menehune. To Asians it is called Mu, and was home to people who could fly and who drank an elixir that would cease aging.
After years of searching, and combing the Pacific for a possible lost land that could have been the root of one of these legends, it is clear that there is no extra continent in the sea. However, in 1986, a SCUBA diver, Kihachiro Aratake, diving off the coast of the island of Yonaguni-jima discovered something that may lend credence to the existence of Mu or Lemuria. On the sea floor he found vast geometric structures cut out of the rock. There was evidence of stairs, and improbable angles in the stone. He marked the location for future divers, and in the intervening years these undersea ruins have come to be known as the “Yonaguni Monuments”.
Efforts to date the monument are derived from the last time the area was above sea level, which would have been approximately 8,000-10,000 years ago– about 3-5 millennia before Egypt’s pyramids were erected. If the monuments were indeed built by humankind, it would require some dramatic revisions to the accepted chronological history of humanity.
I wouldn’t be surprised. We all think we are the greatest society that ever inhabited the earth. I’m sure the Romans and ancient Egyptians thought the same thing. We only know a tiny bit of knowledge about these societies. Imagine in 10,000 years finding the remains of NYC or Tokyo. Would the future archeologist have any clue to what he found. And the new inhabitants, who sure think they are the greatest society on Earth, what would they think. Would their wacko religions leaders dismiss it as bull. It makes you think, if only we knew of the great societies and peoples that inhabited this Earth before the birth of Christianity and Islam. I fear we will never know.
Funny how such an interesting find can so quickly be reduced to squabbling about ‘fundie faith’ and the perceived age of the world.
Lets just take it for what it is, evidence of a submerged society.
Less important to me, is whether it is 10,000 or 4,400 years old. 4,400???? #3, where’d that number come from?
These structures totally throw conventional world history out of whack. They’ve been to topic of many History Channel and Discovery Channel programs, and have been a crypto-archaeology subject since the seventies, along with the Bimini road.
#4 “Funny how such an interesting find can so quickly be reduced to squabbling about ‘fundie faith’ and the perceived age of the world.”
Yes, it is a bit odd. But then Uncle Dave’s obsession with religion is becoming fanatical. I find zealots troubling.
>>The Bible is a message of how to live one’s life, it’s not a
>>science book.
Gee, that’s what I thought too. Kinda makes you wonder why they’re trying to get the Biblical view of science taught in science classes, doesn’t it?
The 4,400 comes from Creation Science Evangelist Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind, who places the flood at that date, though I’m sure he got it from someone else.
(You can check out his site at http://www.drdino.com or you can get some different numbers at an unrelated and zanier site, http://nostradamus.freehomepages.com/chronology.htm)
The point I was making was that fundamentalists – at least those who buy into Hovind’s chronology – would argue that the structures have most likely been under the water for a mere 4,400 years, as they would have been put under the waves by the flood.
In any case, there would be no convincing them that these structures are evidence of the earth being older than they believe it to be.
And you’re right; there is a lot more to this story that’s interesting beyond squabbling about fundie faith. I was simply responding to the comments made by Uncle Dave.
#6 – Zealots can be used as tools, just like the religious among us.
Reading the comments, not least “Comment by heimdall
brings me back some years. I used to live there (Heimdal), and it’s about 130 meters above sea level, me thinks. And there are sea shells in the clay at that level.
So, am I amazed of the findings below today’s sea level? Not much. All it takes is some more ice to lower the sea level. It’s interesting. But is it mind blowing and totally revolting the human history as we know it? Hardly.
So how does this fair with the fundies, or any xstian for that matter? I don’t care. But it tells me that Jesus (and all that goes with him) is a fairly young invention. (We would have known a lot more if somebody didn’t burn down the bloody library.)
Life on earth is far older than the writers of the bible ever could imagine. By all means; I don’t blame the poets. I just don’t trust them.
there was a huge special on one of the science channel (national geographic, or discovery — can’t seem to find the link) but anyway the rocks could have been carved by normal tidal processes.
everyone has story of atlantis, or eden, or mu or whatever. everyone feels that a perfect society is possible if we could just figure out how to get there.
whatever — everyone thinks their own answer to existence’s weirdness is best.
religions are like assholes:everyone has one, and everyone thinks everyone else’s smells like shit.
traaxx,
You are absolutely right. Shell Fish eaters are an abomination before god and should be killed!
Well it could be continental drift, but the time line is too short. Probably was space aliens, fishy space aliens, at that. I don’t know why they built the stairs, though, it could’ve been their version of the Aid The Handicapped legislation.
I thought industrial CO2 caused all this flooding?
#10 – (We would have known a lot more if somebody didn’t burn down the bloody library.)
But religion flourishes best in the absence of knowledge. They HAD to burn the library.
But frankly, I’m excited about this report. Finally, solid evidence that proves my theory about the origin of Aquaman. I shall finally get the respect from the scientific community that I deserve!
Well, we found out who made the crop circles.
Couldn’t some SCUBA “artist” dudes have gone there and constructed that? How difficult is it to make those structures underwater with the technology we have today?.
Does look way cool though. In China, there are many small cities and villages that are now underwater because of the catchment area of the 3 gorges damn. The eco-tours there will be very interesting.
ok the you’ve posted once in 15 sec already error – its 15 sec of “active window time” aka multitasking, at work, flipping back to this page and commenting isnt 15 sec, then when it errors out, the form doesnt save the postdata and i have to re-type it all over again… thats getting annoying.
Theres a torrent of a discovery channel special that details this – if i find the link (aka later on tonight when i get home) i’ll post it
Yup, Discovery repeated this episode about 2 weeks ago..watched most of both shows…good schtuff !! So, head over to Discovery.com.
What’s up with the Discovery channel? I used to think they were serious and that they tried to keep it scientific.
But after overseeing a couple of shows dealing with ghosts, UFO’s and other nonsense, I have a hard time taking them seriously.
It seems like everybody is making serious magic like Chris Angel these days. Even Discovery. And I don’t like none of them 😐
“But after overseeing a couple of shows dealing with ghosts, UFO’s and other nonsense, I have a hard time taking them seriously.”
At LEAST half the people in the US believe UFOs exist. If you dont fine, but to call it nonsense is closed minded and ignorant.
#20
Hah 😀
Nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense!
(I say no more)
The emoticon is cute, now its time for your nap Roggie.
#22
I know. And maybe later.
Anyway, taking polls of different beliefs of the US population and take the results as leads to “facts “could lead to serious injury of the laugh muscles.
I’m pretty close to say “Hush hush, there might be foreigners reading this.” It’s getting embarrassing.
It’s bad enough to be in the dark ages when it comes to acceptance of the theory of evolution. But to give Discover Channel credit as a reliable source of facts is freaking hilarious.
(See, no smiley “;)” Duh..
23. I have to admit, a lot of those staged “haunting” shows are ridiculous. Like if you put night vision on a camera, it will prove the existence of ghosts. I base my opinion on UFO’s however, from sightings by trained impartial observers like astronauts, commercial and military pilots and even past Presidents.
Sundog
I might have the proof for the ghosts you’re talking about.
Apparently, Gilbert Gottfried joined up with some ghost hunters looking for the paranormal on a TV Show.
According to Gilbert Gottfried, he didn’t see nor experience any ghosts, and as the ghosts are invisible, he took that as a proof for their existence.
Anyway, if you feel for it, listen to the talk about it in Penn’s show “Penn Radio – Nov. 16, 2006”.
The Gilbert Gottfried part starts about 20 mins 35 secs into the show and I’m telling you it’s well worth your time.
Oh, the show is available @ http://penn.freefm.com/
And you’re telling me I’m “closed minded and ignorant”?
I swear to my dog, you couldn’t be more wrong.
If I recall, the creationist have a nice answer for stuff like this. The same answer they use to explain dinosaur bones. “God planted them to test our faith”.
Oh c’mon Roger M , Discovery Channel can’t be a reliable source of information because it panders to the least common denominator to attract viewers ? I read newspapers as well as watch a few tv shows like Discover and History and most newspapers contain a few titilating nonsense stories simply to entice folks into buying them but, they also contain a few articles that are reliable. It may be you have to take everything with a bit of salt but, complete disdain isn’t a real good idea either…how you going to know what’s going on out there if you don’t look ?
#27
DeLeMa, I’m not much of a TV fan, so I’m very picky. And if some TV station mix fiction and facts and gives the impression it is serious facts, they lost me as a viewer.
Whether a program looks “real” is all just a matter of skill in the making of it. So, would I fall for a documentary about the tooth faerie? No, but I’m sure some would.
At least SciFi has the guts to reveal the Fi part.
Speaking of papers, I got POed reading my local paper the other day. They had a story about some local ghost hunters. They had it as a hobby, but were serious about it. Nothing in the paper said this was just moronic fun. On the contrary. My take is that they were trying to establish some sort of local ghost hunter service. And I bet some people would be willing to pay for their service in all seriousness.
I’m getting upset when there is no obvious indication whether it is “fun” or “real”. I call it lousy/bad journalism, and I’m speaking up against it any time 😉
If the “monuments” down at Yonaguni aren’t manmade, then it’s absolutely amazing that all of the natural occurances that some historians/scientists etc claim that have happened, have done so in the same area.
I live down here in Okinawa and work as a dive instructor. This December I’m heading down to dive at Yonaguni for the first time. I’m really looking forward to checking out the ruins and coming to my own conclusions after seeing them with my own eyes.
Creationists believe the world is about 10 thousand years old… about 8 thousand years ago there was a massive flood. Water that was previously held in the atmosphere (firmament) came down – so it would make sense that cities that were previously on the coast are now underwater, as the oceans rose significantly. Most cities were destroyed, but this survived because it was carved into bedrock.