Legislator Proposes Having Teachers Carry Guns
After the deadly school shootings in Colorado, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, one legislator has proposed a plan that would actually put more guns in schools.
Wisconsin state Rep. Frank Lasee, R-Green Bay, said he would introduce a measure in the state legislature early next year that would give teachers and other school employees the option of carrying concealed guns after they have received extensive weapons training.
“I want to end the turkey shoots that go on in our schools,” said Lasee, who represents constituents in suburban Green Bay, where a school shooting plot was recently foiled.
“I don’t suggest [arming teachers] is the only answer or the silver bullet to solve all our school violence problems,” Lasee said. “But it’s part of the puzzle of making our schools a safer place for our children.”
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“These high school students are bigger than they’ve ever been,” he said. “We’ve seen them take guns from police officers who are trained in how to retain that weapon.”
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Might not be a bad idea
Being trained on static targets and basic skills is one thing. Taking aim and returning fire at a live human is something else. Given the number of firearms in this country there’s no way to prevent some of these tragic events. Any nut with a reasonable amount of his faculties left can walk into any crowded situation and open fire. Remember these people expect to be killed, there’re not looking for escape routes.
What a dumbass. Giving guns to teachers is not the answer. What happens when a deranged teacher turns their gun on the class? Who watches the watchers?
“taking aim and returning fire” in a classroom full of kids — might also produce some predictable friendly fire headlines.
Yes, bring more guns to schools, that will solve the problem… what a moron. Next we’ll just wait for a teachers shooting kids ‘couse they confused cell phone for a gun…
That’s smart. Let’s solve the gun problem by adding more guns.
Then we can solve our country’s debt problem by adding more debt, and solve the Obesity problem with more food.
Seriously instead of elections we should randomly select people to serve congress every year. Could it be any worse?
His idea assumes that the teacher will never put the gun down or be in any situatuon where a student could get it. Having guns around kills people.
Yeah, this was Archie Bunker’s solution to hijackings: pass out guns to all the passengers at the beginning of the flight.
I seem to remember most of my teachers being clueless ineffectuals — a school full of armed clueless ineffectuals doesn’t really make me feel safer.
The real answer is to abolish today’s factory school systems, whose soul-destroying idiocies must be a large part of the cause for school violence. Either that or require students to wear uniforms lined with Kevlar as they watch endless screenings of Lindsay Anderson’s “If…”.
Guns cause these shootings like flies cause garbage, or like spoons make Rosie fat.
These people go to schools because they know that they will only be facing unarmed victims.
I dont know many teachers who would be interested in such a program, but guns are not the problem, sick people are the problem. Dont forget that our countries deadliest episode of school violence happend in 1927 in Bath Michigan, and no guns were involved.
An armed society is a polite society.
I do know a couple teachers who would go along with this, but they happen to have licenses to carry concealed weapons, and the training to use them in tactical situations as well. Otherwise, maybe not such a good idea.
an armed society is a polite society is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard in a while.
and while sick people will do sick things, guns are what is known as an enabler.
If I’m extremely upset and I’ve got a gun in my pocket, I might lose my mind momentarily and end someone’s life.
Now only an idiot would say the gun caused that to happen, but it is a piece of the equation, and the situation doesn’t happen without it.
People who say guns kill people are wrong, but by suggesting that they are not part of the problem is even more idiotic.
Security is a very simple thing, and giving every teacher a gun is not going to solves things, its easy just get a gaurd to gaurd all entrance doors, everyone who is supposed to be there should have an ID, if they don’t, stop them and such. I would be less able to pay attention to class if i were aware the teacher had the ability to shoot me.
“Seriously instead of elections we should randomly select people to serve congress every year. Could it be any worse? ”
Thats the best idea I’ve heard for this problem, kinda like jury duty. Yeah, I like it. It surely couldnt be worse.
As long as we are making our schools ‘gun free’ why don’t we just a paint a target on them and pass out target shirts to the students? Haveing a few people in a school armed and trained in the use of firearms would make the places a whole lot safer. People target schools because they know they are full of unarmed people. If you look at any real (not made up by moonbats) example, more guns = less crime, like in Miami in 1969 when after a highly public campaign to train women to use and carry guns, rape dropped 80%. Schools be much less tempting a target if a few people were armed and ready.
Robert A. Heinlein said the armed society thing.
I am extremly troubled by a person who when extremly upset would kill someone. It doesn’t matter to me if the do it with a gun, a knite, a stick, a rock or their fists.
Habitual troublemakers should be removed from the school, without regard to offending parents, racial instigators or anyone, really. Guns are a bad idea, teachers are not combat trained, nor should they be, and the kids would just take the gun from the teacher. Besides, the idea of an armed teacher prepared to pop a cap on a kid, no matter how troublesome, is unsettling.
What if this policy had been in place at Columbine? Think the death count would have been lower? A school shooting the next year in Tennessee was stopped by a student bringing his own gun in(he was a local cop too), but the gun crazies at the AP left out that detail.
Don’t forget: Guns don’t kill people, people kill people who allow bullets to enter their bodies. If a bullet comes flying towards you, just say no thanks!
F.Lasee sez, Silly! Not guns with bullets, but TASER guns. I was obviously miss-understood, just like Armstrong really did say “for A man”.
What Wild Imagination These Posters Have believe printed press
Could you imagine being a teacher who kills a kid, regardless of the reason? The media would go absolutely nuts! Even if it turned out to be a heroic act, that teacher would go through a metaphorical Vegematic.
Also, related to post 7411about teacher fantasies (“Torture, Child Porn, and Cannibalism Loving Teacher Beloved By Kid’s Parents”), as a former teacher I admit to occasionally fantasizing about knocking the shit out of some smart mouth, malevolent kid. While I never acted on that fantasy all it would have taken was a loaded gun and a brief moment of madness…
Guns don’t kill people, HAVING guns kills people. Having more guns around means it’s more likely that people will get shot. If there were lots of armed people at Columbine during the shootings, it’s easy to imagine that it could have been a lot worse. We look back and think if someone had managed to shoot the shooter the situation would end. The kids and teachers in the school and in that situation didn’t know what was going on though. They knew they were in danger, but not much else. Now, throw a lot of guns into that situation and lets watch the body count soar.
The people who are in favour of arming everyone to make society safer must also be in favour of making sure every country has a nuclear bomb.
My mother is a 5th grade teacher in Madison, and I’m sure she loves the idea of packing heat in the classroom (sarcasm).
What the non-intelligencia of this board is failing to understand is that off-the-wall ideas like this get the time of day in Wisconsin due to the lax nature of the state’s legislature. An excess off beer, cheese, and sausage doesn’t help, either.
As horrible as any shooting is, especially at schools, they are so incredibly rare in the grand scheme of things that this is an absurb overreaction. Putting more guns into any situation simply increases the risk of accidents which are far more likely to occur than ever encountering an armed intruder.
To put it in perspective, car accidents are the leading cause of death among people in my age group (15- to 20-year-olds). _Every_ day in the U.S. an average of 15 teenagers are killed in cars 365 days a year.
By comparison in the entire _world_ in the last 7 years 218 children have been murdered in schools. 81% of those deaths were the single incident by terrorists at the Beslan school in Russia where 176 children were killed.
If Rep. Lasee is really interested in making the world a “safer place for our hildren” he’d be better off focusing his attention elsewhere instead of jumping on the media hype bandwagon.
Sociologists call it the “deviancy amplification spiral” and we should all be reminded of it every time the news screams that the sky is falling and we’re all going to die.
#23: I grew up in Wisconsin and this concept isn’t really that much of a stretch. A lot of the state closes down at the start of deer hunting season which implies a large number of guns are available. Admittedly, a deer rifile might be a tad unwieldly in a quickdraw against a kid with a mac 10.
1. If the gun is not locked up, some kid will pick it up, either as a joke or to do something bad. This increases the “potentional killers” access to guns.
2. If the gun is locked up then it’s not available in a time of crisis.
Now, if you want people in the school who are trained and capable of dealing with such a situation, that’s not a bad idea. Yes, we put cops in our schools, but its a joke. The police don’t send the guys qualified for SWAT teams in schools. They put in the idiot who shot himself in the foot twice.
Pfkad – Are you also afraid of shoving a pencil through a students neck in a “brief moment of madness”. Why do you think a gun will turn a rational human being into a killer.
What I am seeing here is that a lot of the liberal readers seem to think that having one weapon present instead of another will turn them into homicidal maniacs at the drop of a hat.
Very clever indeed:
“These high school students are bigger than they’ve ever been,” he said. “We’ve seen them take guns from police officers who are trained in how to retain that weapon.”
If police officers who are well trained to retain their weapons see them taken by students, imagine how much harder it will be for teachers to keep their weapons to themselves. This means that those fucked up students will not even need to take the weapons to school. They’ll already be there for the taking.
Very clever indeed. // end of sarcasm.
Robert A. Heinlein said the armed society thing.
He also had those who did not wish to carry guns an ‘out’ – bandoliers (if I recall, that’s one I don’t have in my current RAH collection).
Also check out that AZ had a push to allow guns in bars. The gun carrier would NOT be allowed to drink, however.
Nice in theory, but reality occasionally intrudes (exc. the White House)
J/P=?
Stop trying to correct the symptom and fix the disease. Guns in schools is nee jerk reaction to occasional gun crimes in schools. As boyd pointed out statistically not a big problem.
Anyone who says things like “What if this policy had been in place at Columbine?” is an idiot. The answer is there would probably would have been a lot more dead kids that day.
Putting more guns in schools will just lead the “nutjobs” to use a different method like pipe bombs or poison in the school cafeteria food. It wont change the fact that sick people who want to kill are going to find a way to do it.
Stop trying to correct the symptom and fix the disease!
If we required all guns to have RFID tags, then we could be warned when one enters the school.