TV special links Darwinism with Hitler, other atrocities — This just gets better and better.
The supposed link between Darwinian evolution and the Holocaust has drawn criticism from the Anti-Defamation League. But Newcombe says the link is legitimate.
“Essentially, Hitler was trying to speed up evolution and clean up the gene pool as he saw it-create this master race,” Newcombe said, adding that Hitler mentioned evolution frequently in Mein Kampf, although the German word for “evolution” is translated as “development” into English.
Eric Harris, one of the killers at the 1999 Columbine school massacre, was infatuated with Darwinian evolution, Newcombe said.
Apparent Darwin Proteges
Hitler was a creationist. Anyone with a library card or Google can figure that out. He didn’t believe in evolution, he believed that the Arayans were perfect from the very biginning and should not, and with his programs, could not, change.
I’m not willing to take it as far as Rosie did recently as stupidly claim that they are more dangerous than Islamic terrorists, but the Christian right in America is certainly trying to destroy science and history in this country.
If someone pointed out all the horrible acts done by Christians in the name of religion do you think that they could get a TV special.
Typical left wing tactic to quell any debate, label your opponent a racist, sexist, homophobic or any other derogatory term as to lessen the credibility of the same.
I also forgot to add that this tactic is apparently now being used by the religious right as well, as in this case. I guess its effective.
I don’t back this article, but ask yourself this one question: By who’s authority do I live my life?
Even if there is a link…, just because madmen misuse scientific information, does it mean that information should be ignored, or does it invalidate the truth behind it?
And what about the misuse of the Bible that lead to the dark ages in Europe? And what about to the misuse of the Coran that lead to many terrorist attacks, including 9/11? What about another misuse of the Bible that lead to events at Waco lead by David Koresh?
I wonder why those hypocrits are talking about Darwinism, a scientific theory, based on the consequences of events that possibly were the result of its misinterpretation and utterly fail to ignore so many consequences of their own beliefs. Talk about intellectual dishonesty!
Miguel,
Please, how were Janet Reno and the FBI misusing the Bible in Waco?
David Koresh violated the 1st commandment by “pretending” to be a special prophet called the messiah (i.e. Jesus or David). I think Miguel was talking about the misuse of scripture leading to conflict (for political or economic gain by a select few). Most of these individuals either suffer from a mental illness (Koresh, Jones), are using influence to control individuals through a political system (I can think of a few leaders) or are con wo/men like the Baker(s).
I have LOVEd watching all churches and beliefs, forget or group Everyone that dont beleave, into 1 group.
They forget the Humanist and animal behavior ideals.
I also love the idea of ‘pointing fingers’.
HE/THEY did this to you.
someone ELSE did it, NOT us/we.
She did it…
The BUCK stops HERE, and knocks on the door…are you going to answer it?? Or point them down the road.
This is what lack of history education causes. Have you ever seen a nazi belt buckle? It says “God with us”… http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
The Vatican and the Churches across Europe actively helped the nazi’s in ratting out Jews, communists, homosexuals etc.
If people want to see themselves as pets of some imaginary friend, then go ahead… just keep it to yourself, and we will have a much more educated society.
…and Charles Manson thought he was following up on clues he found on the Beatles white album. Hitler was a crazy speed freak with severe xenophobia and only one ball. Why does fascism work at all? It seems to me to echo hominid pack animal behavior. The ‘pack leader’ ‘alpha male’ is in charge of finding an enemy and casting out pariahs. Wait—that sounds just like _______!!!
persevere
“The program is ‘Darwin’s Deadly Legacy’, a Coral Ridge Ministries production featuring more than a dozen experts in various fields talking about the connections between Darwin’s theories, eugenics, Hitler and abortion.”
I think we need to withhold judgment until we hear from the so-called experts and then test their claims and examine their evidence.
Typical right wing tactic to quell any debate, label your opponent a racist, sexist, homophobic or any other derogatory term as to lessen the credibility of the same.
In terms of evolution, a single race (master or slave) is a plan for natural genocide. All it takes is for one virus to attack a similar gene pool for a whole race to be wiped away from the planet. That is the prime reason for diversity so that humans could survive whatever hits our way. A higher survival rate IS to have one group of diverse people to believe the same thing. Christianity ain’t it. Most scientists are not dogmatic religious people. For the present world to go back to a master belief of Christianity would be for the world to go back and live in the Dark Ages, OR enslave the scientists and atheists. The only plan, I believe, that will work is for everyone to believe in the The Great Chain of Being which includes a God that is Nothing but becomes the highest consciousness that is achieved by Man. That is, Man IS God. And God IS Man.
God is not man.
Rom:1:21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Ps:53:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
Oh… it’s quotes evening here… how about these:
Religion is the opium of the people. – Karl Marx
I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States. – Thomas Edison
Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? – Friedrich Nietzsche
All thinking men are atheists. – Ernest Hemingway
Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people’s business. – Jesse Ventura
The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance…logic can be happily tossed out the window. – Stephen King
As people become more intelligent they care less for preachers and more for teachers. – Robert G. Ingersoll
Creationists already admit that micro-evolution takes place, which is natural selection within a species. Since any eugenics movement only operates within our species, and doesn’t attempt to produce new species, creationists have already allowed all the Darwinism necessary for any eugenic project, and thus have no argument at all on this issue.
Step back and look at the decision made by these fools — and why. Creationists may be ignorant; but, their “faith” is coupled with a cynicism that would warm the cockles of Karl Rove’s heart.
The irrefutable fact in all this is that superstition continues on the wane throughout the educated world. Even minimal science education draws otherwise pliable folk away from becoming True Believers.
We’re witnessing yet another piece of sophistry, a deliberately constructed bit of phrase-mongering by an ideology trying to hang onto the last bit of appreciable market share — xhristians in the United States. The Pope is whining whilst trying to bump attendance in Europe up over 15%. Sooner or later, Jedi will pass Baptist among the religions clinging to life in the UK. It’s only here in cloud-cuckoo-land that a significant portion of the populace hangs onto faith-based support for their timorous egos. And the seventy-two flavors of born-again hustlers work their butts off at carving up that diminishing loaf of white bread.
The last hurrah generally tends to be a hosannah.
#19////Moss….you might be closer to the truth about superstition(and I assume you mean religions) being on the wane, if prefaced that with *in developing/developed* nations. Otherwise it is you that is by far in the minority.
The U.S., I’ll call it by it’s name, not some moniker to try to come off as intellectual, is probably the largest bastion of Christian belief left on the planet. But when you throw in other religions that worship a God or several Gods(Hinduism), the vast majority of humans have some form of orginised religious belief system. That giant swath of Islamic green from the Phillipines to Morrocco, plus Hindu’s, then Christians makes up a very large majority of humankind. The non-believers are puny in comparison.
#20, true, but to a point. As our education increases then a corresponding number of people question their faith. Take any western nation and compare the number of confessed believers and then the average service attendance over the past 50 years and you will see a definite decline in faith belief.
I would suggest that the backwaters of Catholic Latin America are more solidly religious then are the North Americans and Europeans.
Good morning, joshua. I figure I’ve commented here enough so most know when I’m referring to the educated industrial nations. The phenomenon isn’t limited to the West though.
Urban Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. all experience the same diminished belief in superstitions. Yes, essentially religions; but, the definition covers the broader, less bookish animisms, etc..
Every portion of the world that has made it to a couple generations of schooling, acquired radio and TV and realizes there is a material world beyond the simple superstitions, the shaman-ruled laws their grandparents grew up with — begins the slow walk away from religion. It’s inevitable, logical and really shouldn’t surprise anyone with any scientific understanding.
The reasons for hanging on have nothing to do with building a better life or society. They have to do with fear of leaving behind something familiar with your whole life. Understandable. But, no more useful than believing the Earth is flat because, after all, it looks flat.
I want to acknowledge Jägermeister in post #17 for the best post, IMO.
Opiate, Jag, Opiate
I agree w/# 24
15,
Its better to figure God as a father figure here to guid us. But we are now old enough to care for ourselves, and WE MUST.
He is there IF and when needed, but he is the last thing we wish to have. Its our lives and we muct learn from it or FAIL. In failing as with most, its NOT always a good thing. We fail and go back, or we fail and a ‘Interstelar bypass’ runs over us, or we fail and create our OWN prison…
WE need what has been taught to us, from our father, but as children fight each other over What they THINK, we either alienate each other, or group together to get through this.
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you hit something…In all the EDUCATED regions, religion has hit the skids. In many areas education isnt over 30%, and the only things they get to hear, is SOMEONE preaching ‘BELIEVE ME, BELIEVE ME’ from some Ass reading from a book, that the poor person cant read and MAKE HIS OWN decissions.
Religion should be a Advancing thing, ITs not that it changes, it dont, it Doesnt pull the shutters down either.
Its said that man should be as a child.
children explore, wonder, learn, expand, develope and go on, and on, and on…
#24, #25
Thanks guys. 🙂
From the story link – “No longer was man a little lower than the angels, but instead now man was a little higher than the apes. Ideas have consequences.”
Aww, so it is much better to live in ignorance like apes than to endure the consequences of the truth like angels, huh?
But to the point, the Nazi atrocities are a not the consequence of this truth. This is just another example of using the label of Nazi on your political opponents. It has worked so many times before. It always generates a lot of buzz and usually shuts down any debate.
To be honest, equating your opponents to Nazis has been so overused that I immediately tune out any accuser that uses this tactic.
Jägermeister, I echo the sentiments of Mr. Fusion and Curmudgeon. Excellent quotes!
There is a legitimate link from Darwin to Lenin to the atrocities of Stalin because of social Darwinianism.
This isn’t very debatable, right?
I think the reason more conservative Christians don’t make this connection is because the neo-cons have a strong social Darwinianist streak in them. They call it “work or starve” but it’s the same thing.
“Among the many innovations generated by the Internet is an axiom called Godwin’s Law, which says that given enough time, any online discussion will produce a comparison involving Nazism or Adolf Hitler. So common is this phenomenon in cyberspace arguments that it also spawned an informal rule: Whoever first mentions the Nazis loses.” -Stephen Chapman
#30 – There is a legitimate link from Darwin to Lenin to the atrocities of Stalin because of social Darwinianism.
This isn’t very debatable, right?