The one on the right needs a good hard spanking!
A mother has branded her daughter’s school “mad” after she was disciplined for going to school without a blazer on the hottest day of the year.
Fifteen-year-old Aimee Dickson, of Armthorpe, Doncaster, was told to go home and collect her blazer by her headmaster at Armthorpe Comprehensive.
Mum Dawn Dickson said her daughter rang shortly after school began to say she was being sent home to get her blazer.
Mrs Dickson said her husband had to take his daughter’s blazer into school.
He spoke to the headmaster who said it was school policy for pupils to carry their blazers at all times.
Mrs Dickson said: “He said if they feel it gets too hot they can ask permission to take their blazers off, but they must carry or wear them at all times.
I would have just gotten detention. If everyone else can have their blazer, you can too.
back in the day, we had to waer ties even under a turtleneck!
Surely a school as preminent as this has a written student handbook that clearly defines such things as dress code. Violate the rules set forth, pay the price. Why is this an issue?
Headline is a little misleading don’t you think… Zero Tolerance? Makes it sound like she was expelled or something. She just had to go get the blazer or stay home. Oh, the punishment of having to stay home from school! And I agree, I’m very sure there was a handbook or something that explains the policy.
Nick, you seem confused about what “Zero Tolerance” means. Maybe you should invest in a good dictionary.
Zero tolerance is when rules are enforced so strictly, and without any deviations, that ridiculous circumstances eventually result.
That’s exactly what happened here, the school had a rule about wearing jackets and the rule was enforced even when the rule made no sense.
“That’s exactly what happened here, the school had a rule about wearing jackets and the rule was enforced even when the rule made no sense.”
Well, no, she just had to have the jacket on her person, not necessarily wear it. My school had the same rules and it was never a problem here in Atlanta.
Damn, I like that picture…. How ’bout a bigger one? [grin]
Seriously, this sort of Zero Tolerance silliness is hilarious if stupid. Zero Tolerance seems to always result in zero thinking….
OTOH, I remember a restaurant in Canada someplace, back in the 50’s, that demanded jackets & ties for their patrons. When my family turned up hungry one afternoon, sans ties & jackets (warm August afternoon, three fairly small kids), they seated us in a back garden area. Great meal, and great surroundings. Sometimes you win….
Dunno what mom & dad thought about the temperature outside there, but us little ones were too hungry to care _and_ had a great time.
Usually, though, the kids get screwed…. My daughter was doing some kind of insane school project a few years ago that involved inventing a product and creating advertising for it. Her group settled on a sort of laser rangefinder that looked like a scoped semi-automatic pistol. Matter of fact, the kids asked me to find and “tweak” a picture of one. I warned her that the school might freak, but nobody noticed….
(When I was in first grade, kids were bringing rifles to school on the bus. Not to get into that argument, but it’s not “easy availability”. It’s accountability and knowing how to handle ’em. Hiding one’s head in the sand isn’t going to cut it.)
And now back to leering at the girls….
(The one on the left looks like Alicia Witt….)
Regards,
Stu.
JSFORBES, re-read the article. There was a rule about wearing them. They had to ask for and receive permission to take them off. But, for reasons I cannot understand, they have to still carry them with them. Can you think of any reason to carry a jacket on the hottest day of the year?!
Oh, I can think of one: Because someone in authority tells you to!
You might agree with such asinine rules, that’s up to you. But the rest of the world doesn’t work that way.
According to the article, the girl could’ve just asked “I’m feeling warm, may I take my blazer off?”
So…um…Stu #7 – Do you make it habit of looking at 14 year old girls in their school uniform?
**Knock at Stu’s door**
Police: Mr. Stu, we need a word with you.
Stu: What can I do for you officer?
Police: You seem to have some questionable pictures you have downloaded lately involving school girls.
Stu: No Sir! I like all my girls above the age of consent.
Police: Well, you see….we have this post from the Dvorak Uncensored blog……
It is insanity to require someone to ask permission to take off their jacket. It is even more insane to require them to carry it all day long. Who cares if ‘everyone else has to do it’? Clearly no one should.
School is for learning – let them carry books instead of jackets.
Prophet;
If that picture is a “problem”, Dvorak’s the one in trouble….
(As are the rest of us….)
Regards,
Stu.
Rules are rules, and I’ve lived under worse. If these little girls think their school is tough they should research the fates of school girls under the rule of the brothers Hussein.
And yeah, chuckle chuckle, those skirts look short enough to ventilate everything properly.
So somehow just because some girls in Iraq got the shit beaten out of them because their ears weren’t completely covered makes any lesser disciplinary action acceptable? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Some people have this strange affinity towards legacy rites of passage. They think that just because they went through unjust situations as a child the next generation should suffer just as much.
I say break the mold. Let’s get rid of all the mindless social brainwashing crap that is in our schools and get down to teaching.
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Stu – I am sorry I forgot to include the mandatory and tags before and after my post. I will make sure to correct that problem in the future.
Well crap…I had a good joke in the #16 post and it messed up….oh well…
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SN you must have had a wonderful life not to have ever had to do anything you felt was unreasonable. To most of the rest of the world it is called go along and get along. Life is a one long war and we must learn to pick our battles. If she can not deal with this minor rule she will not be able to deal with lifes real problems. I also whould be willing to bet they do not have a lot of disapline problems in this school
So the issue was not so much of whether it was too hot to wear the blazers or not, but that it is mandatory to have the blazer, either wearing it or in one’s hands.
For that matter, if it was freezing cold and she forgot the blazers, she would/should still be told to get her blazer from home.
Whether or not its a good or silly rule to have students carry their blazers is another issue altogether. Clever lumping of the two issues, make it seem like a zero-tolerance system.
Obviously these girls are being taught to be good soldiers- no deviation under any circumstances from the rules…
… and the girls probably don’t spend their evenings reading their extensive handbooks…
OK. You put yourself or your children into situations and they know that within this situation they must follow the rules of the organization, no matter how silly they sometimes seem. Would a reminder that if she didn’t carry it with her the next day she would be disciplined have helped? An organization that operates like a petty dictator can look pretty silly in some circumstances.
We try to teach our children not to be followers and then demand that they follow rules that don’t make sense, unconditionally.
The whole point is to teach these children discipline. Just because something seems dumb, does not mean you should not follow the rules. Each student is still responsible for whatever regulation that they and their parents agreed to before enrolling in the school. The assumption is also that this school does not have air conditioning and that every teacher is not going to be an asshole about keeping the jacket on if there is no AC.
The whole point is to teach these children discipline. Just because something seems dumb, does not mean you should not follow the rules.
That is exactly what is wrong !!! People learn things when they connect the dots. When there is no rational or reason for doing something, then there is nothing learned excepting the absurdity of the authority. Blind discipline will give you blind followers.
When kids are drilled into memorizing history it means very little or nothing. They might be able to regurgitate the useless facts, but they are asked to explain it, they will inevitable fail. When they understand the cause and effect of historical actions upon later events that have shaped the life we have today, then it means something.
Ok. To all those that dont see the point of having rules and then enforcing them, you are offically all idiots. Simple responsibility, we all have them and you had best start teaching kids this sooner rather than later.
Like in all areas of life you learn by following directions *first* until you gain some level of knowledge and then you can ‘think on your own’ and emplement your lessons as you see fit. Kids following rules doesnt equate to breading automotons.
Her mom justifying this nonsense is just the type of whining you will hear from the mothers of kids in prison ‘oh hes a good boy its just everyone elses fault’
Forrest and chris. Thank you for illustrating my point about being such good blind followers. Don’t question, just do it, because, well, … aahhmmm, well, … well just because someone said to.
Kids following rules doesnt equate to breading automotons.
Do you use a special recipe with your automoton? Do you bake or fry them? What kind of wine goes best with breaded automotons?
BTW, there is a difference between doing something for a reason and doing something just because you were told it’s a rule. None us us ever learn anything by blindly following rules. No one ever got better by doing what everyone else is doing.
I see the point in having and following rules that have a point.
Its a stupid rule and it isn’t about responsibility, its about control. To hell with control. They don’t deserve it. Nobody deserves it. How dare they think they know better than the parents and the girl?
As long as I breath, I will continue to do what reasonable free thinking people do when confronted with rules and laws that serve no reasonable purpose. Ignore them.
The problem with your position is that you believe it to be a means of control, simply because you don’t understand it. You’re ignoring the fact that it is a means of teaching discipline to the students. It is much like soldiers going through boot camp and being woken up at the odd and early hours for drills. It is to teach discipline, if the parents of the student feel that it is inappropriate, they can by all means transfer their child to another school.
No one is forcing these rules on to them. The parents chose to send their daughter to this school, attendance at school requires students to follow a set of rules, attendance to this particular school is not required (I assume, as they could have sent their daughter to another school). If there was a problem with this particular rule, the parents should have raised the issue before enrollment of their daughter. By sending their daughter, they all agreed to abide by the rules.
Hence, it does not matter whether you, I, the parents, and the students think it’s a stupid rule. It is there for some purpose. Heck, I do agree with you about it being dumb. But I also can see the value in it being there too.
This is a free country though; nobody is forcing these parents to send their daughter to a school with a “stupid” rule about proper dress attire.
#27 is directed towards #25, sorry.
#27 – The school in question is in the UK and I am not going to pretend i know something about schools in the UK. You say the parents chose to send thier daughter there. I don’t know if that is true.
If the school is akin to a public school here in the US (where we typically don’t have uniforms, although we do have dress codes of varying degrees)then maybe choice isn’t a factor here.
But seriously. Discipline? This girl isn’t being asked to defend her country against foreign invaders. She’s being asked to learn English and math. She isn’t going to be any better at that just because she’s carrying a blazer around.
I hate school uniforms and dress codes, but I don’t complain about them because I have to admit that schools with dress codes have fewer issues than schools without them. But these are young adults who know full well when it is too hot for a jacket, and they need not be pushed around.
Authority doesn’t exist to be obeyed. It exists to be pushed. It should always be questioned and held accountable. When it fails to be accountable, it should be resisted.
But then again, when I make a list of 10 great Americans, Abbie Hoffman will be on the list… so what the hell do I know?
forrest, when the United States broke away from Britain, it was because of the unresponsive, inflexible authority shown by the King and his Ministers. If they were to follow blindly, then we would be singing God Save the Queen at ball games today.
If George Westinghouse listened when told that electricity had to be Direct Current, we wouldn’t have the electrical grid across the country today.
If the Wright Brothers had gone along with the crowd, we wouldn’t be able to fly from coast to coast.
If Sir Stamford Fleming followed conventional pracrtice and threw out that culture, we would have antibiotics today.
Hey, these three guys and the Founding Fathers DIDN’T follow blindly. And we are all better for it.