Can our planes do this (and I’m not talking about the pink smoke)?
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I believe the F-22 Raptor can do alot of what this one can. The F-22 I think can even do a near to vertical take off.
Looks like they’re just “stalling” then using engines/wings to maintain it’s position in a free fall.
We don’t have 360-degree vectorable engine nozzles (the F-22 can only vector in two dimensions), so some of these maneuvers are impossible for us.
Cool for airshows, but is this really valuable in combat? If I can do mach 1.5, why fart around standing still? š
I think there’s one expliantion to this:
The jet’s engine is failing and the pilot is saving it.
The pilot is drunk on Vodka.
—–Or maybe both….hmmmm….
In a word? Yes.
For some reason, I keep expecting Godzilla to swat one of those out of the sky.
The Cobra manouver – isn’t that what Tom Cruise did in the movie Top Gun? Or was that some other mavouver?
Nothing that thrust vectoring, decoupled flight and fly-by-wire can’t do. It could have some use in combat since it allows hte pilot to reorient the plane in a hurry but it does result in almost zero velocity. Also, the F-22 has no VTOL capability. You might be thinking of the F-35.
youtube.com/watch?v=Q7l3oAKVc-E&search=sukhoi
Here’s a crappy video, but you can see a Cobra being executed right after the immelmann.
answers.com/topic/pugachev-s-cobra
And here is a detailed explanation of the stunt. There a link at the end with a clip and an interview.
reading some of these comments is like hearing ted stevens talking about tubes, or kent hovind talking about evolution. please try not to make ass out yourself.
I don’t mean to be picky but it’s an SU-37 and it does have vectored thrust. However, this wasn’t the most manuverable fighter Sukhoi was able to develop which would be the SU-47 (seen here http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/ ). And yes, it’s much more agile then the F-22 wll be.
Hey, what happened to my posts? there’s 2 missing…not that matters much, but #9 talking about cobra manouver is referencing a previous post by me…anyways…like I said, no big deal…
Joao — we were experimenting with our spam filter overnight. There probably were a couple of legit comments that got zapped by mistake.
Sorry.
the one that was lost…
Well this is a Sukhoi S30. Sukhoi has genneraly had a lot of experience in radical manouvers. Once I read an article in āScience & Vieā explaining the Cobra manouvre, a totally coomputer controlled move, (the pilot gennerally colapsed due to extreme Gās). The Sukhoi is travelling at mach + speeds escaping a tail pursuit, then triggers this move, in which the plane cuts engine, does a 130 degrees lift of nose, then in this position blasts engines, using wings and thrust as airbrakes, then resumes natural position, but at sub mach speed and some distance behind the pursuing plane, in a nice fire position. This happens in a couple of seconds and only the sukhoi (at the time) could pull a stunt like this.
Reading these posts before, I notice that people donāt realize that this kind of stunts canāt be done on a āsimpleā jet fighter. It would stall and drop like a stoneā¦
Thereās also these links
They are from Dryden airbase site. Google for dryden of DRFC.nasa
or X-31.
Iām sorry but this is to evade spam filterā¦in a nice wayā¦
I recommend this Dryden site. it has some fantastic videos.
Comment by JoĆ£o PT ā 7/17/2006 @ 11:39 am
There is no other combat aircraft in the world that can pull off all the maneuvers the “flanker” family can. The “saturn” engines that the flankers have are capable of operating with the disturbed airflow that the general-electric motors that U.S. jets use cannot. The cleaner aerodynamics of the su-27/30 family allow it to pull off the cobra’s and tailslides.
Thrust vectoring and canards help but the original Su-27 did not have either. These manuevers are not computer controlled either as they can only be performed with the AOA limiter overridden. More than one pilot has died because he blacked out and could not recover the a/c.
In an era where aircraft shoot at each other from beyond the pilots visual range one has to wonder what real value a great “dog fighter” has. My Dad is a former USMC fighter pilot and he agrees.
Emmett is saying stuff that has been said several times before, that Beyond Visual Range abilities somehow antiquates the need for manouverability, but if the past is any indication, the smart money is always on designing for agility too.
Apparently experience has shown in the past that fighters come closer and circle round and round until they are close enough to be seen, and then Basic Fighter Manouvers becomes the key to survival.
Stealth may change some things involving the ability to get the first shot, but you want to give as much agility as possible to an air superiority fighter, regardless of its radar visibility.
The Russian designs like the MiG-29 and Su-27 on were extremely well designed air frames, lacking only in avionics when compared to US fighters. The F-22 and YF-23 were the USAF’s answer, but its doubtful they are as agile as the more recent Russian designs, even with thrust vectoring. The video shows the front canards changing angles as the plane was put through its paces.
S.
I might not be up to date on aerodynamics of modern aircraft, but these acrobatic maneuvers are nice but they look like low speed moves, isn’t air combat usually done with high speed moves? who wants to be a slow target, when you can be a high speed target that would be hard to get a lock on, think about it. SPEED IS LIFE!!!!
21,
Speed is Life, and ATTACk, but you cant Use guns in a Battle at HIGH speeds…
Missles are cool, but you Shouldnt out run them, OR your bullets…