All of my friends know that my prediction for the Presidential race in 2008 (made over the last year or two) has been McCain-Giuliani versus Clinton and Obama with both VP’s choices actually up for grabs. I may as well make the prediction public. That said I was quite pleased to see the first bumper sticker in a battle over two years away! It was in Berkeley, of course. From my perspective there is no way Clinton can beat McCain, no matter who she runs with, so why not Obama as a longshot? Some crackpot Republicans are promoting the idea of Condi Rice, which is laughable. The way I see it McCain has already been chosen, hence his not saying anything about dirty tricks aimed at him and others as well as his caving in to dubious immigration reform. He is showing he can be a good boy.
I’m no huge Bush fan. However, it’s this exact problem that allows him to get in office. Why can’t the Dems support someone decent from their side of the fence. By doing so they would force the Republicans to step up their game. Hillary? Why not push Robert Byrd with Obama as VP. Then we’d have a former Klansman with a servant.
With candidates like that, Elmer Fudd could get elected as a Republican. Or at least be VP.
Shhhhh be vewy vewy quiet. I’m hunting lawyers.
The Republican’s (propaganda machine) is trying to push this idea of her running. The Democrats learned in the 2000 & 2004 election that someone with skill, but no charisma, will NOT win the election.
obama sounds too much like osama (bin laden).
I’m in Illinois. Our government is sick to death, with gambling casinos as a new ploy “to help the schools”. Right. And schools continue to close, no matter how many gamble-holics blow their undeserved cash.
Could Obama win on his own? He probably would have a better chance of winning than Hillary.
SK
“The Republican’s (propaganda machine) is trying to push this idea of her running.”
After all, Berkeley is a well known hotbed for Republican propaganda.
The same folks who produce this exact bumper sticker also have one that says:
Peace, Prosperity, Interns — I miss Bill Clinton
1, THEY’ will make it happen.
enough people WANT this to happen, that the powers that BE’ have to LET it happen or MAKE it happen.
2. Do you THINK in any realm of possibility that SHE’ will have any power given to HER.
Unless this person is willing to sweet talk or BITCH her way thru this, and she has a GOOD backing in Congree and representitives of REAL people to IMPOWER HER and RESPECT her….SHE’ well not make it.
HER’ only recourse, and THEY’ wont let her do it. Is to make EVERYTHING SHE’ does, VERY public, and get the people Behind her, and to Let us/we see how BAd the other Morons ARE.
3. If she goes public??
what are the Odds, she will be shut up or SHUT down or SHOT down. Even as a threat.
I use to think she was too smart to run this year, but….
Crackpot Republicans? Watch it Dvorak, you’ll end up in Gitmo doing IT consulting for the extralegal detention and rendition squad.
She cannot afford not to run since it is always assumed that the person who wins once will get relected. That puts her only chance into 2016. Too long to be a US Senator. Too much would be on the record to use against her. I think Obama would have a better chance by himself. And that would be a snowballs chance in hell although I think a lot of disgruntled people would just vote for him. Hillary you really have to think about how disgruntled are you really. Her popularity in New York doesn’t mean jack anyplace else. And if dirty trick Republicans are trying to make this ticket with Hillary happen then dirty trick Democrats are trying to make the Condi Rice ticket happen. Condi Rice is a ludicrous candidate.
Agreed #10, Obama has a better chance than Hillary, but that isn’t saying much. Looks like the empire endures until 2012 at the moment.
Hillary sounds too much like pillory (“subject to public scorn”)
We have talked about this in the cage match. I used to think the Democrats were suicidal enough to nominate her and I figured Obama as her running mate. But, since the early straw polls showing her way down the list in Iowa, I have been pondering who else might be the nominee. I honestly think that Gore, Kerry and Edwards are out of it once past Iowa. So who does that leave?…..not many that could actually win.
The Republicans are a hierarchal party, they tend to nominate the most senior national leader as a reward. That would be McCain. It’s his to lose. The Republicans are not like Democrats, they usually pick the guy most likely to win, and 2008 won’t be any different. It will be McCain, but I doubt Guiliani as V.P. unless there just isn’t anyone else.
McCain will win if he runs, the question is one or two terms, so his V.P. choice will be important.
Someone in the cage match keeps saying that in the last match up McCain is only 3 points up on Hillary….but for those who really watch politics it’s apparent she can’t win, her possible vote never has or will reach 50% or more, she is only liked by 38% of the voters, and can only muster 45% or so in the match ups, with her name recognition and all the rest, she should be placing over 50%…..her nagatives are very high, most voters have already decided they know who she is and don’t like what they see.
I have heard that Bill is so popular that he would help her win, but thats just not true…..when asked on a poll, people say they would like Clinton back or would vote for him, but if actually faced with him in the White House as President or first spouse, they wouldn’t vote the way they say. It’s kind of like years ago when California voters were asked if they approved of a black running for Gov….when Ed Bradley was running….they said sure thing and he looked like a certain winner, until election day, then he lost his ass big time. Same thing here, it sounds good to people because of Bush to say Bill would be great, but faced with the reality of his being there with Hillary….it’s not going to happen.
How about a new party with McCain – Obama at the top of the ticket?
Who says that sticker was referring to Hilary? Perhaps …
Please…McCain is a RINO – Republican in name only. The nation gets to choose between a Democrat or a Democrat. That’s no choice. Lets get another governor of the State of Texas. Kinky Friedman. http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/
Hillery is on so many people’s lips because the Republicans need to make someone look so bad to take the public glare off of them. Since Hillery’s “It Takes a Village” idea and her views on universal health care were so ridiculed by the Republican sponsors, she is a favorite target. It is the Republicans loudly shouting her name that keep her in the spotlight. To most senior Democrats, she is still the Junior Senator from New York. Good Republican trick, shoot the candidate before she runs.
McCain won’t win because he doesn’t have the support of the Republican party. He has alienated too many Republican Senators and White House people to have any support. Look for him to be Swift Boated. His only chance would be if he had a joint ticket with someone like Russ Finegold or Even Bygh of Indiana.
Guiliani is dead in the water. His 15 minutes were gone a few years ago. He could have had any job he wanted in the Bush Administration but chose not to. That denies him to make amends for the screw-ups he previously made. His messy divorce and affairs would make him too much of a liability to the religious right. The same with Newt Gingrich.
I still say Frist is the heir apparent. He will have the senior Republicans and White House backing him.
I respect Obama more than Clinton. It would be a career suicide for Obama to allow himself to be coupled to her for a presidential run.
I download and listen to Obama’s podcasts. His podcasts have allowed me to understand his thinking on many subjects. This is very refreshing, because I’m not reading someone else’s spin. I strongly recommend that you listen to the podcasts of the presidential candidates. It will really help you decide who you want to support.
However, after listening to his podcasts, I have personally concluded that I can not support him. I do not agree with his reasoning on some very important subjects that define the future of the US as a world economic and political power. I totally respect his frankness, his ability to articulate his ideas, and that fact that he does not seem to have sold his soul to special interests.
I’m not from Illinois, so I have no say in his political future. But I think he will do the US a much greater service by remaining the senator that he is. He is needed there as a counterwight to those entrenched senators from other states that have long sold out their office to the highest bidder.
I wasn’t a fan of Hilary last time she was in the White House, but I will give her credit – she is one of the few potential Democratic candidates that actually has an understanding of what the average American voter wants. Whether she will actually perform in line with their wishes, or just pay lip service to them has yet to be seen.
Howard Dean is clueless.
John Kerry is clueless.
Al Gore is clueless.
Tim Warner is a possibility, however.
Having a bunch of republicans sitting around handicapping democratic candidates is about as meaningful as a bunch of guys sitting around talking about childbirth.
Well, given that the Democrats haven’t won a majority of the vote since 1964, I would say that the Republicans are in a fairly good position for handicapping…
Correction – that should be a decisive majority, since Jimmy Carter received a whopping 50.1% of the popular vote.
Hillary won’t run. She knows that she can’t win, because not enough Democrats would support her. I would not vote for her in a primary, but would gladly vote for her in the actual presidential election if it means keeping one of these Mafia kings we call Republican Politicians from running our country for even one more minute.
Obama is not ready to take the big step yet, and even if he was he will not ally himself with Hillary because he knows that nothing good can come of it. 8 years later, when the outgoing Democrat president needs to be replaced, then he will run and win for sure. But he has no intention of destroying his ability to lead the country on a better course by having anything to do with a Hillary campaign.
I hope that the country will wake up and repalce the near-Nazi regim ethat currently runs the executive and legislative branches, but given history, I don’t have high hopes. We live in Rome during the end days… the decline of American leadership, strength and power is being written right before our eyes.
Well, you guys have done a pretty good job making being in the political majority sound like you’ve been nominated prom queen. How’s that?
“I’m just soooo, like, popular!”
Guess I can’t begrudge anyone that in light of the party’s accomplishments to date, or lack thereof.
Max Boot –
“I’m just soooo, like, popular!”
Er, isn’t that what elections are about? It’s kind of hard to win, and actually govern the country if you’re not “popular”.
Awake –
Agreed, I too would like to see the Democrats offer a better candidate than what the Republicans have. For a change.
It may not be a bad idea to run as a loser VP in 2008..then he’d have a shot at Prexy in 2012 — after the economic collapse
OK,
An aside…
does it really matter? WHOM is running or WHO will win.
IF we get a GOOD president, and he decides to FIX STUFF, it will take him ALL of his term, and he cant get anything NEW done. He will look like another Jimmy Carter(carter DID some good, but it wasnt noticed).
They will have to Live down, correct, DIG into what has been done in the past, AS WELL as get us OUT of this war, somehow…With out getting us into WORSe with the other nations.
What “good” did Carter do? The only thing that comes close is replacing the brutal undemocratic thug Somoza regime with the less brutal but equally undemocratic Ortega regime.
He gave us Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq under Saddam, Zimbabwe, and many more.
sorry Mr. Fusion….I still say your wrong. Hillary isn’t just being promoted by the Republicans, she’s being promoted mostly by Democrats, and her husband and herself, as well as a great portion of the Liberal media based out of New York. Anyone who thinks this woman isn’t running for President needs to stop smoking the good stuff. She has raised almost 24 million dollars so far for a Senate race that will cost her almost nothing since she has no opposition. That money is seed money for 2008. She’s doing everything she needs to do to appeal to the center of the voting block.
I doubt we see an Obama/McCain ticket since they kind of get on one anothers nerves. Obabam has a big future with his party and maybe nationally if he keeps his nose clean and dosen’t fall for the money grab stuff.
And again I don’t agree with you Mr. Fusion(as we have discussed in cage) about McCain being a RINO. He is what all good Republicans used to be at one time, socially progressive, fiscally conservative and pro-military/defense. Granted the party isn’t controled by those Republicans anymore, but I think you will see McCain get the nomination. But I tend to agree about Guilani. For all their religious zeal, the right wingers want to win, and with McCain they can, and that little tiff over election fianancing and who says no to Gay marriage will be forgotten.
I would like to know for sure where he stands on net neutrality, my brother who is on several agriculture group boards at home in Arizona spoke with him recently at a small gathering and asked him, he feels McCain is for real net neutrality, but I can’t find anything that just says clearly where he stands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
IF russia could have gotten into afghanistan, they would have used the oil to keep their country running, and justified waring for MORE oil.
Carter faught for many things, while president, but he was fighting groups of morons called DEMOCRATES, in congree and representitives.
Also shows the FUN we have had with the middle east. AND at LEAST he didnt do it under the table AS so many others have.