Telegraph | News | Evolution in the laboratory proves two into one does go — While the religious nutballs who think that the earth is 6500 years old may find this disconcerting, they should focus on the possibility of “superweeds” cited in the article.
And, by the way, if you travel enough around the world it’s pretty apparent that someone interbred with Neanderthals.
Our work shows that hybridisation can establish novel combinations of genes that are very successful – so the same could almost certainly occur when GM organisms are released, possibly leading to ‘super-weeds’,” he said.
“In human evolution there has been the suggestion that humans and Neanderthals hybridised, and perhaps also that human and chimpanzee ancestors may have hybridised for some time after separation. This work on the butterflies shows that these hybridisation events could have contributed useful genetic variation.”
Ummm, DUH.
Plants change, Humans change, we ALL change with time.
Even without hibreds, its a continuing process.
If you have a handicapped child, and it lives long enough to Foster children, the ODDs say, you are passing ON either protection, or augmentation to the genes.
Minor and major changes are seen all the time. Even my handicap, Nail patella Syndrome (NPS), is considered an adaptive gene. If this adaption can spread, it CAN become the norm, if the CURRENT norm dont shoot it, kill it, STOMP on it…
We are a bunch of hibreds and Adaptions, and even NOW, each area is adapting to Current environmental, physical, psychological affects.
Ever wonder why Asians have a yellow skin, and narrow eyes??
Ever wonder why Those in Africa have Darker skin??
You have a 1 in 10 chance of a birth defect or adaption based Child.
WARNING……..This post is from one of the nutballs that doesn’t think his kinfolk were apes!!!
The butterfly is still a butterfly. A dog will always produce a dog. You may see diversity in these anilmals such as what was done with this experiment, but genetic barriers make crossing over impossible. The butterfly will never become a dog. Evolution bases its theory on creatures changing or “evolving” from fish to lizards, to monkeys to man.
As far as Neanderthals, Java, Rhodesian, these have all been proven false.
This thread should be a whopper, I can’t wait to read the posts. Cheers
It is easier to make a man into a monkey then a monkey into a man. But I would not do not think you can make a man into a fish.
This post is from one of the nutballs that doesn’t think his kinfolk were apes!
Not necessarily a nutball; just willfully stupid.
For the ten-thousandth time: nobody (NOBODY)claims that humans evolved from apes. (Perhaps you evolved from something dumber than whatever the rest of us evolved from.) We evolved from COMMON ANCESTORS. Big difference. Huge. A butterfly will not evolve into a dog… the branch where their ancestors diverged was a long time ago. But a butterfly could, given enough time, evolve into something else. (“Mothra”?)
The biggest gripe I have with you flat-earth types is your basic lack of honesty. You can’t have a rational argument… you must resort to making up strawmen and knocking THEM down. It’s like trying to have a conversation with a telemarketer reading from a script… when you run out of coherent responses, you just start over again on the first line.
The most recent info suggests there was little if any interbreeding between Neaderthal and Cro Magnon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4986668.stm
Well, hybridization and speciation in butterflies are one thing and in higher animals (higher as in more complex, not higher in the sense that man is the apex of evolution, one idea that has “short legs”).
As the example cited, a mule is sterile, and animal hybrids often produce such result.
As our psychological denial of the hipothesis of man (or an ancestor) did in fact produced offspring out of neanderthal crossing, is clearly in the way. Of course, this is purely hipotetical, as there are no neanderthal individuals alive, nor any genetic sample to prove/disprove this possibility. Based on archological remains, Neanderthal were categorized as Homo Sapiens, thus making them our (very) close cousins, and implying the possibility of hybridization (totally possible IMHO). As producing sexually viable and reproductive individuals, that´s another story. As I said, if we had a sample of neanderthal DNA,we could compare differences and similarities and thus prove the theory (as false or true…). If such hybrid individuals were in fact reproductively viable, we, as a specie, carry on our DNA neanderthal genetic. That fact reminds me a much more important scientific hipothesis, even though less mediatic. The one about the “African Eve”, that by analysis of mithocondrial DNA (that is passed non-sexually from mother to daughter) is was traced our ancestrality to a very short “handful” of women, probably from the same family.
That´s, from my point of view, a story to be told…
6. The one about the “African Eve”, that by analysis of mithocondrial DNA (that is passed non-sexually from mother to daughter) is was traced our ancestrality to a very short “handful” of women,…
Yes, that was an interesting book – except when they tried to “imagine” what the women’s circumstances might have been like… too dramatic for my taste.
The book mentions that a similar study was done to trace male-contributed DNA, which traced back to a similarly small – 10 individuals? – group of males.
Kind of like how almost all modern thoroughbred horses trace their lineage to 3 “sires”….
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/tbred.html#found
On a humourous note, it also reminds me of the matriarcal lineage inscribed on the inside of a dome – in Ann Rice’s “Queen of the Damned” [grin]
So what – they produced one breed of butterfly from two other very similar breeds. Big whoop. It is in no way a proof for evolution. Its like breeding poodles and labs back out of labradoodles … they are the same species, the same kind, and this is just a mildly interesting breeding experiment in that they could get their desired results in so few generations. As for interbreeding with Neanderthals – I saw a guy with a shaved head on vacation once – dead ringer for a neanderthal – not very scientific, but Neanderthals, if they existed at all, were completely human. Homo sapiens – merely looked different – a different race, not unlike blacks or Aisans. And so what – you say men and apes evolved from a common ancestor (4)? I say they didn’t – its no different than saying that man evolved from apes – they are still different kinds sharing some basic similarities in form – separate as horses and cows. (or some other non-related pairing, I can’t think of another, but I’m no taxonomist). Also, maybe, according to evolution, modern chimpanzees, etc, did not evolve into man, but that supposed “common ancestor” would have looked enough like a monkey that it would take a taxonomist to say “that’s not a monkey, that’s a pre-human/pre-ape ancestral form” – whatever – its still a monkey, which do not evolve into men.
Please read the blurb again and pay specific attention to the following phrases:
This study was not meant to “prove” the entirety of evolution. There are reams of empirical evidence for evolution that lead to this study coming to fruition. This deals with a very specific process for gene transfer, one of the many facets of evolution, and attempts to open up new avenues of research.
So please, if you’re going to attempt to “refute” evolution, study up on it and come back with something better than the logical ineptitude of “I say they didn’t” (8) when referring to man and apes evolving from a common ancestor.
here is the anti-evolution argument:
i cannot see the hands on my clock moving, so time must not exist.
pretty smart hunh?
#10, Todd, Where do we get our measure of time from?
As in…
Horses, can be changed to many breeds.. I dont think GOD made 200 varieties…
The Dog, WAS a WOLF, cyot, Fox, and all the breeds between.
How long has it been, sence religion THOUGHT.
MAN can not fly? ask Leonardo..
the World is FLAT.
Women are a different species, and we wont discover HOW to give them medicines or to fix their bodies.
Your blood is holy, and you cant transfer it to another. evne to save, YOUR, or ANOTHER life.
If its NOT in the bible it dont exist, or we cant/shouldnt do it.
Others that are NOT white, are Subhuman..
AND, those that cant read, are Slaves.
You flat worlders are wrong, it’s common knowledge, rats evolved from straw after a farmer left his sweaty shirt on top of the bale for a day. We all learned in grade school about spontanous generation of life. These scientists just renamed it the big bang theory.
interesting post, pretty much covered it all for me, thanks.