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Would we do it? Should we do it? Is Iran really that much of a threat?
Click on the image above to see how it could be done, then read about how the Brit’s are talking about US plans to do it.
The [British] Government is to hold secret talks with defence chiefs tomorrow to discuss possible military strikes against Iran.
A high-level meeting will take place in the Ministry of Defence at which senior defence chiefs and government officials will consider the consequences of an attack on Iran.
It is believed that an American-led attack, designed to destroy Iran’s ability to develop a nuclear bomb, is “inevitable” if Teheran’s leaders fail to comply with United Nations demands to freeze their uranium enrichment programme.
Yes and Yes. The big difference between Iran and other nuclear powers or wanabes is that Iran WILL use them. The Iranian president is a mad man who envisions himself the savior of the muslim world and wouldn’t think twice about using the weapons on Isreal, the US or anyother non muslim country viewed to be the infidels. He also could care less about his own death or the death of his countryman in a retailiation, since it would be Ayla’s work and he would get his virgins. Plus the latest news of his new anti ship weapon, probably procured from Russia, that is suppose to be the worlds fastest. Failure to act will only result in more death and the first use of nuclear weapons since WWII.
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Sure the U.S. can do it, but then Iran will turn off the taps on U.S., then all hell will break loose. Then the U.S. will have to invade and occupy Iran to get the oil. After a few hundred thousand civillians deaths, Condie, Rummie, and Bush will look back and say it was the right decision. Then Iraq’s WMDs are found in Syria and “intelligence” say Syria might use ’em and of course the U.S. must do something about it, and it goes and on and on…….
The problem major problem of the world power with Iran being a muslim country, regardless of iran, they do not want any muslim country to be strong in the world and the problem with the other muslim country is they do not want to accept this simple truth. Why? there are so many muslim country, wealthy, developing and poor, they can do they business with each other if the other non-muslim country does not conform to their philosophy. It’s the muslim countries, so many in the world, should use sanction against those country who want to do harm to another muslim country.
This is the real reason why we had no business invading Iraq. The military is already spread thin and we’re talking about attacking SOMEONE ELSE. Yes, this isn’t an invasion, so everything should be just fine assuming that IT WORKS AS PLANNED.
#5 Wrong, mad man at the helm, thats the issue.
This is about strategic energy policy, as much Europe’s as the USA. Of course the Europeans will publicly disavow this. They can’t allow it. There’s the Israeli card also. This type of crap falls upon you if you’re the last remaining superpower. As to whether Iranians will use the weapons, India and Pakistan hasn’t, yet. The US will be the focus of blame and attacks from whatever sources the Iranians and friends can muster. The cold war was so much easier, don’t you think?
Should we do it? WTF? Why the hell should we do it? The fact that we Americans, who have never known real war on our soil, talk so flippantly about starting it somewhere else is truly disgusting. War is the worst thing in the world. Worse than famine, plague, poverty, you name it because it eventually causes all those other things, and here you are talking about starting a war that will slaughter 1000s of innocents (and 1000s would die, they always do, there is no such thing as a surgical strike) just because they want the bomb…the bomb that we have, and have threatened people with for 60 years. That’s so fucking evil it makes me puke.
Maybe if the US hadn’t invented the bomb, horded thousands of them, used them (twice, and to this day the only country that has) and if the US didn’t have a 1st strike policy firmly in place and ready go with a cache of submarines, and cruise missiles large enough to destroy the entire population of the Earth many times over…maybe then we’d have a tiny little moral leg to stand on, but not right now. Only when the US disarms we will have the right to say that other countries shouldn’t have nukes. The only reason Iran even wants the bomb is because they know they are on The List, but if they have the bomb we won’t touch them. North Korea is in this situation right now, and actually makes threats that are on-again/off-again more specific and credible that Iran, but we don’t talk about this sort of thing.
Iran does contain a lot of militant lunatics, but why should the world be so afraid of Iran attacking someone? Its not impossible, far from it, but the idea that they are more likely to attack someone than the US is…that’s just ignorant. The US is the true threat to world peace. We do the killing. The average world citizen, if he is to be killed by a foreign power, is far more likely to be killed by an American than someone from any other country. Our military covers the globe like the final stages of cancer, and it just grows and grows.
What’s truly terrible is that if you were talking about, say, the feasibility of walking across the street and shooting some guy because he was saving up some money for an air pistol, you’d be considered and idiot, and a freak, and even worthy of prosecution depending on the circumstances. Yet when you talk about doing the same thing on a massive scale its considered casual banter.
#8 – yes. one of the true ironies is that by invading a country with a phony WMD program, the US has hindered its efforts to deal with a real WMD program. The mullahs know that the minute the US turns the screws on their regime, they can dispatch waves of suicide bombers into Iraq (1/3 of which is under the governance of a pro-Iranian shiite government and attendant militia). Also, the Bush admin has burned off a lot of the US’s credibility by spin-doctoring the intel on Iraq’s WMD.
So, if and when Iran gets a nuke, point the finger at Dubya and ask that perennial question that they have been asking everyone who was against the war, “Would the Middle East have been safer without the war?”
The smoking gun will indeed be a mushroom cloud.
I don’t understand why we would even consider it. We will just get in there and find no WMD just like Iraq.
Saddam acted like he had WMD, (and he did have them in the past, and showed no evidence of descruction)- Russia, Germany, Britan, France, US and UN all thought he had WMD. Guess what? Nada.
Now we are to believe all those same governments and their intelligence, and the leaders of Iran who are pretty much as nutty as Saddam in believing that Iran is getting close to nuclear?
I fail to see the distinction between the two countries. I think we should just leave Iran alone, either that or let the UN handle it. The US should not be going to any more expense or trouble over guesses. Lets wait until Baghdad, Kuwait or Tel Aviv has a mushroom cloud over the smoking ruins. When we can get Al Jazeera, CNN, China, Russia, and France all agreeing that without a doubt that it came from Iran, then lets follow someone else’s lead on what to do.
And exactly in what way is Iran threatening US with their missiles with range of 2000km? Is anyone using world maps anymore?
By the way, if Soviet dictators hadn’t ever decided to attack US being on par or better in terms of nuclear power why should Iran do it being able to produce measly 5 nukes in 10 years? Why should they risk certain destruction of the whole country? Is Bush/Condi/Cheney the only thinking foreign policy team in the world and other countries employ just mad-men, morons and imbeciles? Dictators are usually smart, this is how they became dictators – by being smart! Dictators tend to not do stupid things, democracies usually do.
Have we outsourced our planning to the Brits?
Doesn’t this sound like some of the same shit in the 90’s and early this century about Iraq and their WMD? I hope our (US) intelligence is much better on this one.
From reports I have read over the last year or so some of these facilities are deep underground so it may not be possible to completely destroy all of these sights.
Invade Iran? Don’t think so, not necessary. The US is busy with Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran hasn’t invaded any foreign country or sent scud missiles into other nations either.
The Israelis have been putting up with Iranian backed terrorists groups for years which is no secret and have the best reason to attack them. I think they (Israel) have every reason to do so and the US may not try stop them. This might be Israel cashing in their chips for not retaliating against Sadaam during the Gulf War.
As far as the US goes, I say we assist the Israelis if asked otherwise wait for the first shot fired by them, then obliterate them — except this time, no 6 month warning.
Im wondering WHY the US, is sticking its nose in others
business
Politics
LIVES
The things to worry about MOST…
How to protect the US, we cant NOW, from smuggling Radioactive materials INTO the US.
ICBM..intercontinental balistic missles.
Questions to ask FIRST…
Why are they Pissed at us? It isnt religious based.
WE made promises to BinLaden, and Bush Sr. declined to follow thru.
Bush Jr. Attacked Iraq because he wanted to, and he had FALSE INFO. As always.
Look at the PAST and what the US and Britain has done to the middle east. ALL the way back to the 1800’s We swept into there countries and started drilling, with our OWN personel, and didnt pay NOTHING for the oil until the 1960’s.
Britain and the US, INSTALLED our own puppet rulers in those countries for MANY years. As we did with Cuba, and other nations.
They want to HURT us as bad as we have DONE to them. But the only way we SEE to protect ourselves, is to FIGHT..
“As to whether Iranians will use the weapons, India and Pakistan hasn’t, yet. ”
BIG difference. Pakistan and India have sane leaders, who fear an equal reprisal from their enemies if they use the bomb first. (the cold war Mutiual Assured Destruction premis) The Iranian president has no such fear (as I explained in an earlier post), and therefore would have no problem in using the bomb first.
“Should we do it?”
No, because I don’t want to end up paying for these things.
Just get OUT of those countries and DONT buy Fuel from them…
It will dump their economies into the dirt.
They depend on Other countries to BUY their oil, and all it does is make them dependant on OTHER countires to pay them.
“Maybe if the US hadn’t invented the bomb”
Then Germany, the Soviet Union or Japan would have, thousands more would have died in WWII and you would probably be speaking in German or Russian right now. Yours is a very simplistic peacenik view of the world that will never exsist.
And Martin, ignore the problem and it will go away, let the UN handle it? The UN couldn’t handle a dirty pot more or less any real problem. They are corrupt with Koffi and his family in the cookie jar with oil for food. Do you really think that band of jokers can deal with this. Your approach of covering your ears and humming real loud will not solve it. That god you or your like is not in charge. If you were then we would all be praying to meca.
Its amazing how many peace lover who have no concept of the world post here. Citizens of this country who think this country is the worst in the world. You enjoy the freedoms, but don’t want to fight for them. Just like that San Francisco official who doesn’t even think the US should have a military. I have a message to all those US haters out there, MOVE THE FUCK OUT. See if things are better in Europe, the middle east of Africa.
this is a Europe thing. If Iran wants to it could hurt Europe or another country in the Middle East(read….Isreal), but not us directly.
The Europeans buy most of Irans oil, we don’t. They depend on Iran for natural gas as well. Europe created these countries after WWI and now we live with the results. Our mistake was involving ourselves in Iran in the 50’s.
Martin, I take it you don’t live in Baghdad, Tel Aviv, or Kuwait, or you wouldn’t be so happy about waiting for the mushroom cloud to appear before doing something about the nuke problem.
SignofZeta……I think your full of it…..you have us disarm first and trust that the others will follow suit. Being that blind must be nice. You need to ask the 800,000 Iranians and Iraqi’s that died in the Iran/Iraq war of the 80’s if their chances of being killed by Americans were greater, or maybe the 125,000 in the Sudan, or the 250,000 in the Balkans, or the 300,000 in India/Pakistans 50 year war, or the half million in Afganistan killed by the Russians in the 70’s and 80’s. I could go on and on for hours, and not one of those people were killed by Americans. We have been in wars, but if you added up all that have died by American forces together they would pale next to what various countries around the world have done to eachother. I don’t know what country you live in dude, but you sure as hell don’t know your world history.
ECA….you need to study history as well. We were not involved in the Middle East until the 50’s. Unless you count fighting the Barbary pirates as the middle east.
But, my point of all this is, if it comes to it, we should allow our friends in Europe to take this one on, and we should give them backing. They are the ones who will be directly affected, and it’s about time they looked out for their own intrests for once. They want us to leave them alone, until they need help again, then they want us to send our guys to die, while they critize us for everything from collateral death to imprisonment of combatants.
Let Isreal at them unfettered, maybe Europe can learn how to stand up for itself.
My largest fear is that if we, or Israel, or anybody else for that matter took an action against Iran, any support for we might currently have in the younger population against the Islamic political regime would be replaced with the nationalistic jingoism an attack would cause.
p.t. — please, please read a little deeper into the Wall Street Journal. It’s not how much oil comes from where; but, who makes the profits. The incomes for the Oil Patch crooks don’t just come from the Permian Basin — and they make damned little off Venezuela. The average tanker full of oil from the Middle East > to ANY country > is bought and sold several times. That’s how the wellhead prices around $1/barrel get up to $60/barrel landed. Look at the annual report of a company like C.Itoh. At one time they were the world’s largest buyer and seller of oil on the high seas. It’s a job category on Wall Street.
joshua — you need to study history as well as science. With the search engines around, nowadays, there’s no excuse just to sit back and “conjecture” about the causes and history of the ozone holes — in bewilderment. I include the question of history > at this post > because you might wish to read the history of Standard Oil and their peers before you babble about no US involvement in the Middle East before WW2.
In either case, you two should follow the money. The really big moneygrabbers don’t give a flying foo about what the commodity may be. Money is the commodity. They don’t even care if it’s dollars or euros, yen or yuan. Their toy politicians will blather about patriotism; but, that’s what they get paid to do. Oil happens to be the most productive commodity in the market, that’s all. Enough reason to start a war or two.
In case, you forgot, oil was $18/barrel when numbnumb took office. That’s what counts.
Well Moss…….you can google yourself silly…..I can google probably thousands of articles about the ozone hole…..pro human…anti-human.
The fact remains, that we DON’T know how long it’s been there and if it is or not a natural occurance.
As to the oil companies being in the middle east, that started when we were actually able to supply our own energy needs. The goverment, of at least this country, wasn’t behind what those companies did to make money at that point. I won’t argue with you that they have been part and parcel of all administrations since the 50’s though.
Oil, and other big business stopped being single party oriented 40 or more years ago. They are equal opprotunity givers now. And both parties have their hands out. It no longer matters which party is in power. Bush will leave and the next President will be just as greedy as he was, and the one after that will be the same.
#19, joshua
I agree, almost. If you add Mike in #20, then between the two of you, ya got it right !!!
Although North America gets little oil from the middle east, it is the Global Supply that is the problem. Since dubya came to power, India and China have greatly increased their thirst for oil. America is by far still the largest users of oil per capita. If Iranian oil is stopped or reduced, there will be a global depression and quite possibly massive wars and political upheavals.
So take your pick, Massive global upheaval or potential nuclear war.
Everyone is picking on everyone elses politics (and understanding of history and/or science) instead of talking about what the story is about, how to take care of Iran’s nuclear progam. It takes a considerable amount of electrical power to do all of the various things outlined in the story to make nuclear weapons. Here’s my suggestion. We set off a wave of nukes in the upper atmosphere across Iran. It would create an electro-magnetic pulse that would damage or destroy everything electrical that was in operation that was not sheilded from EMP. There would be no direct radiation. Heck, if it was done in the day time they wouldn’t even notice except that their digital watches crapped out. A few planes might fall out of the sky and some hospitals would lose power but their emergency generators would be okay. There would be no direct casualties.
But, their grid would be destroyed and their oil business would be shut down. They would be set back 100 years. We wouldn’t even have to kick in the front door as it would crumble on its own.
The world might scream but they hate us anyway so we have nothing to lose.
for all the money they have spent on this WAR, we could have setup the protections, to DEFEND this country at its borders, for the next 10+ years.
At this time, the US Gov, even says they cant defend(stop) with more then 15% effectiveness, our borders, and the Cargoes that arrive into this country. OUT of the 1,000,000 cargow container that are dropped off, from SPACIFIC countries, we only check 30% for radioactive materials….
We dont…
OPEn the containers and search them.
And FEW if ANY checks are done from SAFE HARBORS..
At this point in time, Brazil could load up a Cargo container of COKE, and MJ and have it shipped from Chile, and it would hit the streets in 3 weeks.
This doesn’t say anything about Canada or Mexico, and Bush Jr. is trying to DROP the mexican patrols, even MORE.
I would LOVe to see an international, passport/visa system. So we can check THOSE coming into this country. But it will never pass.
Why does the Telegraph’s “target” list have #6 & #9 on it???
Why would the US drop bombs on waste storage facilities, with the resultant spread of radioactive contamination?
If we are worried about “atomic bombs”, then we would only need to destroy their enrichment facility – #5 on “The Targets” list.
If we are worried about “dirty bombs” using un-enriched isotopes – that horse left the barn years ago… 🙁
And, when we kick-up all this radioactive material into the air – where will the prevailing winds take it?
How long will it take that cloud to circle the earth on the jet-stream??
If they seriously plan on taking-out three nuclear power plants [#6, 7, 8] , I hope they remembered to review what happened the last time one exploded:
http://www.davistownmuseum.org/cbm/Rad7b.html
We absolutely must wait until America has a new competent administration in power before we make any move against Iran.
Bush & Co have proven themselves so UTTERLY INCOMPETENT with their “preemptive doctrine” in Iraq that I have absolutely no confidence in them to do anything but horribly bungle this up too.
Is this an April Fools joke!?
GregAllen, yeah, I have to agree. While I personally think that its not the US’s job to be constantly slaughtering brown people in the name of security (see: native Americans, Mexican War, Viet Nam, you name it) even if that were a justifiable, and sustainable policy the current White House seems completely incapable of doing just about anything right.
Being evil to the core with a total contempt for human life it one thing, but its another to just be a total fuck up that can’t manage to successfully complete a single objective. In other words their moral bankrupcy is eclipsed only by their incompetence, and they *really* shouldn’t be picking more fights right now.
SignofZeta – you really have no clue, do you.
With almost 100% certainty, I say the Bush administration will create another 9/11 within the next year and a half to lead AmericA into war. Historical fact: an incumbent president has never lost a re-election in time of war. Get ready for a new emergency law that will pass granting presidents a three-term office. Mark my words. This will happen. The only way to stop this is by people learning the truth about 9/11 so that another one will be difficult to pull off. Although a nuke exploding on American soil (which I believe will happen) will instill such fear in Americans that the president will gain almost all control of power. Watch out. Hitler II is here.