If you think that waterboarding a person is not torture, you really must be kidding yourself. This video gives a demonstration of the ‘method’. It can be very upsetting to watch, so think it carefully before playing the video.
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61,
Most homophobes like you are full fledges flames… So, flame on! Angel will show you the ropes…
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#60: You realize when we stoop to the terrorists’ level, we become no better than what we are fighting?
#62: Checkmate!
#62
What?
64,
Take him out… Buy him drinks… Throw on some Jack Radcliffe… Complete him…
63. If you check again I think you will find that waterboarding is not exactly the terrorist’s level.
Oh, boo-hoo. 20 seconds of extreme discomfort. Let’s compare that with being thrown in isolation for a few years or being hunted in a 6 hour firefight. Let’s see that reporter do those. Which would you rather endure? We seem to have no problem with a lot worse than waterboarding.
RBG
#63 – Look, I try my best to be a good Christian; but I can’t seem to accept that line of thinking. i.e. “When fighting monsters, one must be careful not to become a monster” Who was that? Nietzsche?
Most humans seem to have an ingrained need for vengence/retaliation. It’s hard to shake, I presume.
#66: I’m sure the innocent, wrongly accused people who have suffered will understand completely.
Torture of any kind is worthless from an information stand point. Most torture is just the sadistic whims of the torturer.
Anyone who has actually been tortured can attest to the fact that nothing of value is obtained. Ask John McCain and others who have gone through the real thing. Thats why they are against torture by the US.
Relying on mans humanity is a risky thing to do, it seems humanity is still a minority feeling by humans.
The majority of humans haven’t yet reached the stage of developement that allows them to treat their fellow man with respect. We seem to have not changed much in the last 5000 years, the only difference between then and now is the price of our toys of torture and death.
#69
Amen!
And to exemplify how worthless torture is here’s a joke:
Once upon a time the CIA, the NSA and the FBI organized a friendly competition; whoever caught one of the 3 rabbits released in the Everglades in the shortest time would win it.
The CIA caught the rabbit in 6 hours.
The NSA caught the second rabbit in 12 hours.
3 days later the FBI came with a handcuffed, broken nose, eyes blackened, body lacerated crocodile who was shouting “I am a rabbit! I am a rabbit! I am a rabbit!”
68. “…the innocent, wrongly accused people who have suffered…” Do you mean the mutilated one’s with their heads cut off; the innocent victims of secretive suicide bombers; or those who have undergone 20 seconds of waterboarding?
You want innocent suffering, have a stroll through any hospital or terrible car accident scene where more money or a change in policy would definitely lessen such things. It’s all a matter of trade-offs.
We have a justice system in our country. Do the suffering wrongly convicted understand? Or would you eliminate that as well?
The argument that people under torture will tell you uselessly everything and anything you want to know is completely invalidated as long as they also tell you where to look for Bin Laden, etc. Something that can be verified.
We should have “torture warrants” as promoted by that great civil libertarian Alan M. Dershowitz.
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RBG
What happened to RGB? Did he suddenly turn nuts? Now you think that torturing just anyone off the streets is OK as long as it isn’t the streets of your country? I suppose that could be effective in finding Osama. Just make sure you label the person terrorist first.
Oh, and if anyone in your country complains about it, just point to the american reporter who was beheaded and imply that everyone in that country had a hand in it.
Just my foreign thoughts.