Yeah. This is a good idea. It worked so well before.
From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments. While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.
Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
When is alfie leaving?
So much for that “one nation …” notion.
It sounds like the petitioners aren’t all that committed to democracy.
Apparently YOU have no idea what DEMOCRACY is all about. Try looking up MOB RULE and maybe you’ll get an idea. As for me, I prefer living in a free a REPUBLIC!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9qE7GJSc4
McCellan / Pendleton for 2016 !
New York and New Jersey? Upset over Sandy perhaps?
Obamacare is the new “Tariff of 1828”
Oh please! Look at the statistics of how much each state pays in taxes to the federal government. Here’s one:
motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
You red state wingnuts are LUCKY we took you back after the Civil War! If the Confederacy had stayed split off it would be a squalid third world country by now; we’d have to put up fences to keep you out. Us blue states have been paying your welfare since 1865. So STFU you lazy welfare cases.
Go ahead, secede. Make my day. Oh, and give us back the space program, Cape Canaveral and the Houston space center. All federal programs. Stew in your own sh*t for all I care.
Ignorant wankers.
better to die free on your feet , than on your knees as a slave to the federal government. we are a nation of free stuff instead of freedom.
$16 trillion in debt, some of the states might do better if the ties are severed now.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem Jim? You red-staters are getting more money from the feds than you are paying in taxes. if you “free” yourself you will be POORER.
But hey, that’s fine with me! I’m a blue-stater paying your welfare.
If the south succeeds – is it allowed to reintroduce slavery?
the US already has slavery, that’s the point Phydeau is making about all the lazy blacks living off welfare and being a burden on the nation.
Phydeau’s point is that the blacks are slaves, just useless lazy ones that can be disposed of to make the north better.
Only after they confiscate all guns. Otherwise, there will be a lot of dead rednecks.
Hey Stormtrooper, how do I put this nicely? I know: Fuck you. Shove your racist BS up your ass. My point is that red state people like you whining about taxes get more from the feds than you pay for. Or did you think it was the highway fairy who built all the roads you drive on every day? And the cleanup fairy who restores your coastline after a hurricane? Fuck you. Go secede and live in your squalid little pissant backward country.
Phydeau makes a valid point, these slaves we conquered in the civil war who we give food and a shack to live in, in return for work (lazy and stupid though they are) at the very least owe undying loyalty to the democratic party, those that think they can just wander off the plantation are ingrateful animals and deserve ridicule and possibly a good whipping. We made them what they, we made their roads, we made them literate ( some of them), we OWN them!
Spoken like a true whore
Sheeple (R and D voters equally) are destroying our country. You possibly prove yourself to partisan to be objective.
That said tho, I’d like to point out that the facts you offered us destroy your thesis. Think it thru and if you do, you will agree.
The federal government rightfully exists to nationally support a common background infrastructure (roads, communication, defense, etc. ) throughout the country. That infrastructure is going to be more closely related to geography (size of states, mountains or flat, etc.) than it is to population.
So when you subtract out a common factor for infrastructure support based on geography (60% of the funds received, maybe more?) and divide what is left, you will find that typically blue states are the parasites.
I hate to admit it but we are sure lucky to get all that welfare money from California. I am glad they are in such good financial shape.
While you at it how about not taking a cut of the money received for Louisiana oil. Thats a nice little sum you ghetto dwellers have been receiving for years.
Talk about IGNORNT! (typo intended)
THE GODDAMN CIVIL WAR STARTED OVER A BUNCH OF WHINING DEMOCRATS!!! But I bet you think it was all over slavery. Don’t you?!
Try reading a little HISTORY you stupid fuck!
Divorce wasn’t popular in 1860, either. Do you have the same feelings about divorce as they did in 1860? I sure don’t.
well the mules and wagons are on the way lol be hard in the dark
Originally America was formed for the benefit of close cooperation and to better utilize natural and national resources more efficiently.
The friendly acquisitions of many states where paid in cash, such as the Louisiana Purchase. But America also did hostile acquisitions of more than 500,000 square miles of valuable state acreage with contract of “Guadalupe Hidalgo”. America’s business competitor Mexico feared the hostile takeover attempt, but it initiated a noneffective defense to prevent it.
America should now cash in on the Latest Corporate Craze, the Spinoff!
America is not so much a country of citizens but a very over-broad inefficient business with uncompetitive employees. America should ‘streamline’ her operations and sell her less productive subsidiary states as spinoffs.
The spun-off states are expected to be worth more as independent entities than as parts of the larger United States. The capital gains from removing/firing millions of parasite employees can be used to pay off the national debt and a significant payout to the stockholders (politicians and America’s Oligarchs).
A Gordian problem solved with a solution that would make Grover Norquist, Karl Rove and G. W. Bush happy!
It’s amazing how many idiots actually believe the crap coming out of Hollywood these days. Idiots who were probably forced to carry a poorly written history book in high school and never actually read it. Assuming they ever got that far.
You’re a perfect example of a complete mind washed idiot! Just look at your grammar where you can’t even use correct tense. (It’s spelled WERE!) But even if you DID catch that little typo then it’s pretty obvious that DETAILS are NOT one of your strong suits.
And now you want to lecture us on HISTORY and things you have absolutely no idea about? Things like what caused America to break away from British rule?! (I dare you to try and explain England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. I bet you think it’s all one country. WRONG!)
Let me save you the trouble. Next time I want to know a historical detail like who Fred Flintstone’s boss is, I’ll ask YOU!
So do the rest of us – and you – a favor and stay the fuck out of politics! It’s obvious you’re not using anything resembling a BRAIN!
Thank you. I find you quite funny 🙂
Your kind comments are just too flattering. They are very entertaining. If I made you mad, then all the more better!!
It’s all just too nice! It certainly encourages me to post more and more!
So tisk tisk, your heated post shows you are about due for a brain aneurysm! It’s not like your using your brain for much else, like thinking!
Whaaaa whaaaa.
Sobbing Teapublican loons still sore and need antidepressants and maybe a dildo to soothe their pain. Now want to leave the union. Poor babies.
Does Obamacare cover the rush for meds?
Yep, we are pretty sad Al Jolson was reelected.
How are the 1% in Highland Park Dallas? Kids still playing lawnmower man?
Mextli your racism is showing.
HP residents are merely upping their anti depressant dosages. They seem to always have a smile on their face
How about if the North secedes from the South? The North could then get at least $1.00 for every $1.00 sent to the Feds!
ANOTHER IDIOT!
If there’s any kind of secession, it will more likely be EAST versus WEST! Or even New England and the Midwest versus the WORLD!
There is lot simpler solution! The Democrats want to vote for wealth redistribution and republicans don’t like it. The Democrats power is the vote. The Republicans power is they supply most of the jobs. Democrats don’t understand that the economy drives all the social programs. The democrats believe in equal results and the republicans believe in equal opportunity. Just fire the democrats that work for you.
“The democrats believe in equal results and the republicans believe in equal opportunity.”
The quintessential lie for the quintessential Republican loser!
Republicans lost because they started believing in their own lies, even when confronted by numerous fact checkers about the veracity of their lie. It’s the Republican strategy of repeating the lie so often, even they believe it!
Republicans are such a sad and pathetic group; they just can’t exist without lies and those who buy them.
Ha Ha, the elections showed how much smaller Republican numbers are becoming!!
Keep it up, thomper. You lost this time with this BS and you’ll lose next time with this BS.
(The Republicans believe in wealth redistribution too, they just want it redistributed to the rich, away from the rest of us. The majority of Americans understand that. You obviously don’t.)
We shall see how the Fed treats Washington and Colorado. The Marijuana issue will be a good example of whether Obama, (an admitted drug user in youth), who will take the oath to protect and defend the constitution, will actually do that, and allow states to make adult decisions on their own.
If he intercedes, then he should be impeached for breach of the same oath he swore to protect.
And never forget that he took a shit on Civil Rights, but that has become a side issue because people who need government to take care of them, will gladly give up their civil rights.
So sad.
Huge difference between an approved voluntary petition and secession.
America united, they way we did to the degree we did, because of our common enemy aka the British Empire. ((Interesting recent article on the UK–that they have invaded or fought 98% or so of every country on Earth. They “civilized” the world.)) Once that outside uniting interest no longer exists, then continuing self seeking interests begin to fractionate each mother loving son wanting to set himself up as his own island state.
Idiocracy: what really would happen if every malcontent was allowed to go their own way? The 300 or so German States of the Middle Ages would only be the start. Zip Codes broken down by street? Home Owners Associations all a hotbed of individuals calling for their personal freedom. All immediately subject to a larger outside aggressive interest taking control by force as has been the lesson of History.
Yes, its all very short sighted, self centered, and very unaware. What we need is a stronger Mexico to shake us all up. Keeping drugs illegal should cause that to happen in another few years.
Silly Hoomans.
Are all these people applying for sucession going to start refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance?
Or at least this part: “…One nation, under God, indivisible…”
Of course, they are all late to the party because Rick Perry was dropping hints about Texas having the right to secede way back during the Primaries.
He wasn’t waiting for Obama to win re-election like these Johnny-come-latelies.
WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS!
All the little uneducated shit-headed comments I’ve been reading are merely testament to the pathetic failure of our education system(s). Because what I keep seeing are numerous idiots who keep professing their FAITH IN GOVERNMENT without facts or their FAITH IN GOD without common sense! Either that or they’re simply trying to annoy people like a turd that won’t fall off.
So here’s an idea. GET THE FUCK OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE! Try reading a history book cover to cover. If you like the slightly revisionist liberal slant on things then try Howard Zinn’s crap. But for me, I’ll stick with David McCullough.
Because arguing with an idiot is like arguing with a dead person – IT’S POINTLESS! (BTW, Dead people have brains too. They just can’t use them any more. What’s your excuse?!)
Why doesn’t someone break off a chunk of North and South Dakota and call it East Idaho? We have north, south, and west covered in state’s names, but there is no East-something. It’s about time we did.
Oh, wait … Montana is just east of Idaho.
Guess that’s the reason there isn’t an East Idaho.
I refer to the flatland of Eastern Montana as West Dakota.
Writing letters to the legislators to introduce measures to make this happen is a more viable strategy.
In a few days when some of these petitions hit 25 thousand signatures we will see the Obama administration simply ignore this and pretend like it never happened on the surface. Then we can expect to see Obama treat this issue like the birth certificate issue. He will send his mouthpieces out to dismiss the issue and dodge it in a non-convincing way so as to encourage the opposition–anything to keep secession in the news so that Obama can complain that secession is in the news rather than his pet issue.
Considering most of those states take more federal monies than they give, they should all be a libertarians paradise just like Somalia.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Really!? REALLY!? Are we really that stupid? I keep trying to tell myself this country hasn’t gotten this bad but you keep proving me wrong. READ THE EFFING FOUNDING DOCUMENTS! The founding fathers understood what they were doing and did it ONLY because there really was no reasoning with England and people were dying! You people have let all the meaningless trivialities rot your brains. No idea what consequences really are. Children playing house with each other. Get an effing life and quit trying to act like you understand anything.
The US is doomed and is going to fragment within 50 yrs, possibly already within the next 20.
I lived in Texas a long while and I was always impressed with how many U.S. military bases were there. Here’s a partial list:
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From
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/statefacts/bltx.htm
U.S. Military Major Bases and Installations
Texas
Major Installations
Army
Fort Bliss
Red River Army Depot
Fort Hood
Sam Houston/Camp Bullis
Ingleside Army Depot
Navy & Marine Corps
Corpus Christi Naval Air Station/Naval Hospital/Naval Station
Kingsville Naval Air Station
Air Force
Randolph AFB
Brooks City Base
Lackland AFB
Sheppard AFB
Air Force Plant 4 (formerly Carswell AFB)
Dyess AFB
Goodfellow AFB
Laughlin AFB
Coast Guard
Corpus Christi
Houston/Galveston
VTS Houston/Galveston
Air Station Corpus Christi
Air Station Houston
Search and Rescue Station Freeport
Search and Rescue Station Port Aransas
Marine Safety Unit Port Arthur
VTS Port Arthur
Marine Safety Unit Texas City
Personnel Totals
Army 60,945
Navy & Marine Corps 6,909
Air Force 40,981
Coast Guard 1,409
Active Duty Military 108,835
Reserve and National Guard 84,721
Total Personnel 194,965
Above Information Courtesy of American Forces News Service
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As far as I can tell, this doesn’t even count the civilian workers that support these installations. Then there are all the defense contractors and their offices, factories and logistics infrastructure. That plus all the other federal agencies with local offices should bring the federal workforce in Texas to more than half a million.
The prospect of losing that many jobs all at once should give any sane person pause. That, and the idea mentioned in an above comment that a state should pay off its share of the national debt before being allowed to leave….
“should give any sane person pause.” Have you met alfie?
I wonder how many petitions have been filed to bring Mexico on as a state?
If the feds continue to refuse to operate under the Constitution we should all secede. Obama’s use of the drone program to commit serial murder is the most Un-American thing I have ever heard of. I voted for him once but he just made things worse, as did the congress and the supreme court who thinks corporations are persons. We need to trash this government and go on as individual states or create a new federal government that might prevent these constant abuses in the future.
The only other organization, I know of, that goes to war with you when you want to quit is the MAFIA. That perfectly describes the gangs that are the republicans and the democrats who fight for control of our corrupt-as-hell government.
You obviously don’t watch world news much do you?
All of this just proves one thing. Americans are not Democrat or Republican any more. The stupid Christian/Corporate right took over the Republican party years ago (after Reagan) and no one is quite sure who the Democrats are run by – ah, democracy at its most unknown. Time to vote Rationalist. The Rationalist party is up and coming. And by the way, fuck Libertarians too as they are just a branch of the Republican party. Does anyone actually believe the “Fair tax” is fair ? If you do, you are a moron.
Petitions are worthless. As long as there’s a several hundred billion dollar defense budget to be funded. The powers that be, aren’t going to allow the states to split up, and not pay the Beast it’s due.
So if you’re for this insanity. Just forget it! The DHS will label you an anarchist. And deal with you as a terrorist, by relocating you to some other island detention camp, you didn’t know existed, but approved of them running. Only a bunch of morons, want to split up the Union. Because the first ever black man to become a US President. Got to be President again. And some white, draft dodging, multi-millionaire, Yahoo, didn’t. Boo freakin Hoo!
At least ObamaCare creates the possibility that states can seceded from the bill. Otherwise, secession is not a bad idea, as companies in states with ObamaCare are more likely to cut their worker’s health care AND drop them to 30hrs per week so they do not qualify as a full time employee.
The problem is, when the entire Obamacare system collapses under its own weight (which is was designed to do, so Dems can come up with their dream “solution” afterwards), the left will blame those few states that opted out.
After all they can never blame their own bad policies can they? Its always got to be someone else s fault. I wonder if they will blame Bush for it too.
MikeN says, in part:
“… companies in states with ObamaCare are more likely to cut their worker’s health care AND drop them to 30hrs per week so they do not qualify as a full time employee.”
Businesses that can get by with a bunch of no-loyalty, untrained, part-time or “independent contractor” workers have always done so. And every law that says you have to treat your workers more like human beings and less like draft horses prompted dire warnings of disaster from the businesses involved. American industry survived child labor laws, anti-piecework and anti-sweatshop laws just fine, thank you.
Well said Patso. It’s also easy to pick out the guys who have never started a business or been responsible for another person’s employment.
I agree. People who want political freedom from Washinton D.C., London, Moscow, and Beijing are stupid.